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To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

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YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom · 07/11/2017 18:16

Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return? Angry

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FormerlyFrikadela01 · 07/11/2017 20:38

battered I do understand why some women are and yes they have every right to be. However the odds of every woman who is 'outraged' having went through that is slim.

I know the whole #metoo thing wasn't to everyone's taste but I think one thing it thoroughly demonstrated is that the number of women that have "gone through that" as you put it is far from slim. See also Jo Brands comments on have I got news for you.

lubeybooby · 07/11/2017 20:39

ffs... blinkered stupid transphobic mn strikes again. As thick and stubborn as brexiters and trump voters

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 07/11/2017 20:39

However the odds of every woman who is 'outraged' having went through that is slim.

Went through what?

Namow · 07/11/2017 20:39

I've then seen many women and young girls come to the entrance to the corridor/end of the shop floor to show off what they are wearing, which surely defeats the purpose of the 'too insecure to come out' argument.

Because they FUCKING CHOSE TO. The ones who didn't want to be in public in outfits didn't come out and were allowed that privacy. Till now. How dare they take away the rights of young girls to choices about their own bodies.

colouringinagain · 07/11/2017 20:40

Please tweet @Toyshop

or go to their Facebook page

m.facebook.com/Topshop

NinonDeLenclos · 07/11/2017 20:41

Lots of women seem to be threatenes because "men shouldn't be there", so yes many do seem to be insecure about men

ODFOD. I'm not even remotely insecure about men, I just don't want men ogling me when I'm trying on clothes. It's perfectly reasonable.

bimbimbap · 07/11/2017 20:41

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PickAChew · 07/11/2017 20:42

Doesn't this idiot realise that the same men he feels threatened by in the male changing rooms will now also be able to use what were the female ones?

Redguitar2 · 07/11/2017 20:43

Besides if they're children you should be accompanying them to the changing room anyway

How would a father accompanying his 12 year old daughter get around that exactly walnut or visa versa? You can't enter the changing room with them if you're of the opposite sex. So are parents supposed to just 'hope' that nothing happens to their children just because one idiot decides one day to be 'gender neutral'. Don't be so sodding ridiculous.

paniconthestreetsofdreams · 07/11/2017 20:43

Bore off with this shit.

Live and let live.

KarmaStar · 07/11/2017 20:44

Totally unfair on young girls.equality is one thing but this is ridiculous.youngsters coming out in skimpy outfits to show their friends or mum with men coming out,'accidentaly'exposing themselves,a young couple thinking they will be the first to be daring to have sex in the rooms?no.no.no.this is so wrong.

colouringinagain · 07/11/2017 20:45

@Topshop!

You can also message them via their Facebook page.

YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom · 07/11/2017 20:45

Bimbimbap Travis wasn't refused the opportunity to try on items - he was directed to the male changing rooms, and refused to use them, instead insisting on using the women-only room, which he'd been told he couldn't.

Surely the rights of women matter? Trans-identified males commit violence against women at the same rate as other men. Do we not have a right to be safe from men when changing?

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SelmaAndJubjub · 07/11/2017 20:46

Doesn't this idiot realise that the same men he feels threatened by in the male changing rooms will now also be able to use what were the female ones?

He won’t care because this is not really about safety at all- it’s about wanting validation.

Redguitar2 · 07/11/2017 20:48

Doesn’t bother me in the slightest. If someone identifies as a woman or man how degrading must they feel if they are refused into a changing room? Not to mention embarrassed.

The issue isn't whether someone identifies as one gender or another. This idiot is gender fluid!! I.e. They decide what bloody gender they want to identify as. No issue with trans people using the relevant changing room. I DO mind when a MAN decides that one day he wants to identify as a woman and so is allowed in the women's changing rooms, despite the fact that most women and girls would not be comfortable with it. Holz657 read the OP and link before commenting please!

PovertyPain · 07/11/2017 20:48

My youngest boy used to think I was a bigot, which he was shocked at as "you're the one the taught me to be open minded". A few months later he changed his mind about shared toilets, and other female only spaces, when he walked into a nightclub toilet and caught a perve videoing over the top of a toilet cubical. There were two young women in the cubical. But obviously they were over reacting when they were pissed off and upset. 😒 It was a shared toilet, in a gay club and the women couldn't even be fucking safe in there.

StatelessPrincess · 07/11/2017 20:48

how degrading must they feel if they are refused into a changing room? Not to mention embarrassed
I think in this situation the man in question should be embarrassed. Why does his gender fluid identity trump the rights of women. And what the fuck even is gender fluidity anyway...utter delusional nonsense that's eroding the rights and safety of women and girls, endorsed, incredibly, by so many women and girls.

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 07/11/2017 20:49

He won’t care because this is not really about safety at all- it’s about wanting validation.

I don’t even think it is. I think he’s taking the piss because he knows businesses are shit scared of being called trasnsphobic. He’s trying it on and laughing up his sleeve at the fact he can make people jump when he says. Also suspect he is loving the attention Hmm

NameChanger22 · 07/11/2017 20:49

I haven't been in a Top Shop for years anyway. Cheap and nasty clothes with very expensive price tags.

Backingvocals · 07/11/2017 20:49

"Both sides of the argument" is totally infuriating. This person is a man. Topshop's customers are women and girls.

Topshop are ignoring the needs and wishes of their customers - the majority of whom will have had at least one real life experience of the dark side of male behaviour - in order to please a tiny minority of narcissistic, self-obsessed men.

sailorcherries · 07/11/2017 20:50

Gender neutral changing rooms are not new. My local dorothy perkins, river island, asda, sainsburys, Tesco, dunnes and sports direct all have unisex changing rooms. Will you boycott them as well?

The general tone of this is that all men will perv, ogle you, peep, record, take pictures and expose themselves to you.

YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom · 07/11/2017 20:50

paniconthestreetsofdreams

"Bore off with this shit. Live and let live."

= Shut up and say nothing when men insist on accessing women-only spaces? Why?

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Thetoothyteeth · 07/11/2017 20:51

@battered couldn't agree more. That's why it's infuriating. Men would laugh in our faces if we pulled a stunt like this.

YouStoleTheBowlFromTheRoom · 07/11/2017 20:52

Sailor These weren't gender-neutral changing facilities. They were women only - Travis was told that, and told to use the men's room, and had a tantrum. Women have now had their private space removed.

What about women who don't want to change in the same space as men?

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MoistCantaloupe · 07/11/2017 20:52

I do understand why some women are and yes they have every right to be. However the odds of every woman who is 'outraged' having went through that is slim.

But this isn’t just about me personal. It’s about all women’s rights.

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