To think that Grease is the only film that could undergo analysis and still remain as beloved as ever?

[MammaTJ]

Currently watching 'New:The Grease Story' on ch5+1. I love Grease. I was taken to see it with a friend for my 11th birthday treat and have loved it ever since.

My DC have all watched it. DD1, no remarkable effects other than a mutual love. DD2 and DS demanded 'Mum, can you please lip sync', when I clearly had to sing along. The judge my singing and I am found wanting!

Anyway, back to this programme, no matter how much they pick apart the film, I still love it! AIBU? I will not listen if you say I am

Danny already liked Sandy the way she was though, he fell in love with her in the time they spent together in the summer. He was just trying to be cool in front of his dick friends. Ok it took him some time to come to his senses and realise he had to grow up, but he got there by the end of the film.
OP, do not ever post your love for a film on here, it will get shredded.

@Becles had this thread sorted by about the fourth post when she correctly claimed that Grease 2 is the superior film. Amen.

(Though Stockard Channing as Rizzo is one of the all-time great performances and There Are Worse Things I Could Do is a heartbreaking classic.)

Dirty Dancing has a much stronger pro woman feminist message than Grease does.

The other funny thing ONJ said in an interview is they are all well into their twenties playing teenagers and watching as an adult it does show

Duchess, most people love Grease or at least can see why it appeals. Read the thread title.

I really hate the way people have to deconstruct fucking everything and take the joy out of all of it.

But the 'question' was about Grease being the only (yes, the only!) film that could undergo analysis and remain as beloved as ever. Posters are merely arguing that they don't actually think that undergoing analysis helps it that much.
In answer to the question, whatever you think of Grease, there are definitely other films that can withstand analysis and remain beloved so, OP, YABU.

Everyone seems to love Dirty Dancing but to me, now as an adult if I have to over analyse it I am a bit about a teenager going off on a family holiday to have sex with the resident dance instructor. Would not be impressed if that was my DD, and really Baby's Dad should have punched Johnny's lights out.

Can you imagine the AIBU from Baby's Mum's point of view?

But again, it's just a film.

Dirty Dancing is a terrible film. Give me Grease any day.

It's satire isn't it, surely?

I love it, but it's an obvious satire of the cars, girls and drive-ins image of the American 50s. Isn't it?

The fact that half the cast look old enough to be their characters' parents is a bit of a clue

Grease is a terrible film
Dirty Dancing is a terrible film
Pretty Woman is a terrible film.

The Goonies, on the other hand, is an awesome film.

Grease is a terrible film Dirty Dancing is a terrible film Pretty Woman is a terrible film.

Well, this is where we'll have to agree to disagree as I absolutely bloody love all three.

I just need to defend Kenicke for a moment as someone up thread had analysed him as a bit of a baddy. Kenicke is the NICEST character in the film! As soon as he hears that Rizzo is pregnant he goes straight up to her and tells her that he'll stand by her -she tells him it's not his (which it is) and he is really hurt by that!
At then end - he still thinks Rizzo is pregnant so he's shouting at her to get off the ferris wheel, but he was there to propose - even though she pushed him away - and he does propose even when he knows she isn't pregnant. So he isn't just doing the 'honourable' thing (which he was more than willing to do -immediately) he really loves her.
Plus, he has this cool guy, hard man persona, but Rizzo is his first ever sexual experience -he's all talk and he admits that to her (his condom breaks(before use) -'how could it break?' 'because I had it since I was twelve' 'oh' - he's never needed one before!)
And of course, how jealous he is when Rizzo turns up to the dance with crater face - and doesn't even care when his date, Cha Cha, goes off to dance with Danny. Compare that to Danny who sacks off Sandy at the first opportunity of a sexy dance and a shiny trophy.

As to who changes the most at the end: Yes, he puts on his little cardie and tells his friends they need to grow up, but then the moment she turns up in her tight trousers he renounces the cardie, and everything it represents and decides to stick with his gang after all (the last line of the last song is 'we''ll always be together' - they're not going anywhere).

Sandy had never been unhappy with herself until Rizzo and Danny start treating her like shit, so her decision to become 'happy' by becoming like them does seem a bit peer pressury to me. Plus, her way is clearly the better way to have a better future.
I don't think the T birds or the pink ladies were headed to college, but she might well have been. Now she's a smoker who may try to stay home with Danny, rather than leave and get an education, and is sexually active in a pre pill era. It actually makes me shudder to think how her life with Danny would have ended up. Minimum wage employment/first kid before she's twenty/ crappy little house/never leaving the Ridell area/Danny having flings with Cha Cha every time she shows up /lung cancer.
I imagine the other Tbird/pink lady pairings end up the same (but with more fidelity and probably less lung cancer - sods law dictates that it will be the one who only took up smoking to be like her friends and didn't really like it, that gets sick). But that type of life was where they came from and what they knew.

Sandy makes an active decision to follow a harder path. There is a lot of class based stuff in Grease, Sandy was clearly from a more middle class background and so her life came with the privileges that entailed. Danny and the gang weren't that lucky, their lives were always going to be harder - the world is unfair - but Sandy shouldn't give her own chances up just to be with a boy.

My only consolation is that I'm pretty sure her parents will have taken one look at her in those tight trousers and whipped her back to Australia faster than you can say 'ramalamadingdong'.

I'm with Lipstick on this one.

I liked it when it came out, but I couldn't work out why all these students looked like they were pushing 30. I genuinely thought it was some sort of remedial education college when I was a kid.

Dirty dancing is elitist. The staff are second class citizens who not allowed to mix with the guests ( unless they are students on a Summer break and then they're handed fat cheques).

I hate Pretty Woman as well. But I can't stand Julia Roberts anyway.

Kenicke was gorgeous but the actor had an alcohol problem in real life and died from related issues in 2011

Dirty dancing is elitist. The staff are second class citizens who not allowed to mix with the guests

Is that a joke?

The songs are good. And the dance numbers.

I have a REAL problem with the core message that if you want a man you have to change everything about yourself to suit what he wants. And yes, the Rizzo character is a nasty bully.

I have a REAL problem with the core message that if you want a man you have to change everything about yourself to suit what he wants.

As said upthread, she didn't have to change though, did she? If she'd have stayed exactly the same in the final scenes, Danny had realised that it was time to grow up, leave the TBirds behind and Sandy was more important than looking cool.

Also minor thing at end when Eugene manages to aim custard pie in teacher's face in stocks (cool guy has missed)then the "cool" guys puts a pie in Eugene's face - nasty bullying behaviour effectively

Yeah I hated the way they treated Eugene

Watching it as an adult you see so much sexual innuendo that went completely over your head as a child. Like when Rizzo and Kenickie were shagging in the car there's a whole conversation about a condom?! When did they put that in there?

I knew I had gotten older when I watched Dirty Dancing and really empathised with Baby's dad. The poor man only wanted a holiday with his wife and teen daughters but ended up unwittingly funding an illegal abortion (how much would $250 in 1962 have been worth?), then being dragged from his bed to provide medical treatment for Penny. His youngest daughter is out until all hours, being led astray by an arrogant male dancer, and his older daughter was preyed upon by a creepy waiter.

Like when Rizzo and Kenickie were shagging in the car there's a whole conversation about a condom?! When did they put that in there?

The version that got shown on TV didn't have that scene in it all. The dvd has it though.
Just like they used to chop the Sandra Dee song out of the afternoon/early evening showings as well.

By all means enjoy grease,but don’t kid yourself on,its not a sasperilla movie
it’s a deeply misogynistic movie about women changing to accommodate men
Danny remains same,same mates,and sandy becomes over sexualised,compliant and she changes herself,her social circle