To think that Grease is the only film that could undergo analysis and still remain as beloved as ever?

[MammaTJ]

Currently watching 'New:The Grease Story' on ch5+1. I love Grease. I was taken to see it with a friend for my 11th birthday treat and have loved it ever since.

My DC have all watched it. DD1, no remarkable effects other than a mutual love. DD2 and DS demanded 'Mum, can you please lip sync', when I clearly had to sing along. The judge my singing and I am found wanting!

Anyway, back to this programme, no matter how much they pick apart the film, I still love it! AIBU? I will not listen if you say I am

However she still changes for him. From memory he makes no changes

Have you even seen the film Grease? Yes, he does. He changes at the end, says he's willing to leave the T-Birds, it's about time they all grew up as they're about to go to college, and Sandy comes first over acting cool.

YY he wears a cardigan and everything.

I queued to see Grease as a teenager when it first came out (Wembley Stadium viewing, anyone?) and I've loved it ever since. My local indy cinema showed the subtitled singalong version a couple of years ago and it was wonderful - such fun.

I actually think it stands up to analysis if that's your thing. OK, so you can look at it and say it's about women dressing sexy to catch their man. But also you get to see the pressures on young men and women in the 50s when in order to seem carefree they were boxed in to very limiting gendered categories - and Grease shows what real people did when faced with those limitations, how they accommodated them or not, and the consequences of them doing so (both for themselves and others). As an adult I'm blown away by Stockard Channing's portrayal of Rizzo - we see the pain as well as the pleasures of her version of femininity.

So I think I'd say that analysis doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that it's a bad film with undesirable messages. Or you can simply sing along and enjoy, no problem with that!

I realised Grease was sending a bad message to girls and women when I was a teenager, and I was a product of an extremely traditional upbringing.

It only takes a modicum of thought to realise this is a really bad massage to send young women (or anyone, really).

He said: saved her life, she nearly drowned

She said: he ran by me, got my suit damp

Ok, fair enough, still fits with the whole "trying to look cool in front of his mates" though.
Not being pushed into a lake, sea, or indeed body of water - that totally didn't happen at all.

Yes I have seen the film.
I said iirc the 73 script he didn’t change. There was quite a number of changes from the stage and screen versions including songs and their placement

It depends whether you look for a 'message' in your musical films really.

It only takes a modicum of thought to realise this is a really bad massage to send young women (or anyone really)

Not when you haven't understood the "message" in the first place!

She only changes her appearance at the end, he spend the whole move trying to change to please her.

Yes I have seen the film.

You're saying he pushed her into a lake (no he didn't)
although you acknowledge you're muddling the film up with a totally different screenplay of it.

Then you say that he doesn't change for her. Surely if you'd seen the film you'd know that he does.

However she still changes for him. From memory he makes no changes

Have you even seen it?

It depends whether you look for a 'message' in your musical films

Well this one kind of beats you over the head. Sandy has a complete physical and personality transplant.

he only changes her appearance at the end, he spend the whole move trying to change to please her

Huh? How does he try to change to please her?

Not for me TheStoic, it's just a musical film.

Huh? How does he try to change to please her?

again, have you not seen it? She goes out with a jock, so he starts doing track so she will like him.As his friends are out nicking hubcaps and complaining he won't hang out with them, he's spending months getting lettered as an athlete so he can be more the type she likes.

And all this "the message is be sexy for the man" stuff is so missing the point! He was already into her long before she changed her image. She didn't need to attract him, he was already there.

Theres much more. Grease is a critique of 50's sexism, not an embodiment of it.

He wasn’t trying to please her, he was trying to fuck her! But bless your little cotton socks for thinking that. 😂

Thestoic could you be any more patronising?! He was trying to change for her.
At the end, he did. Properly. Told his friends that he was giving up the gang, it was time they all grew up and Sandy was more important to him.
If you're insistent on "fuck her* then you're obviously not wanting to see any other message.

Grease is a critique of 50's sexism, not an embodiment of it.

Exactly!

So who has had the most major transformation in the final scene?

He wasn’t trying to please her, he was trying to fuck her! But bless your little cotton socks for thinking that

Way to miss the point. And why so bitter about a movie, of all things?

Four reasons Grease is a feminist film:
www.themarysue.com/grease-feminism-is-the-word/

And why so bitter about a movie, of all things?

Bitter? I really enjoy the movie. The music is great. But a feminist movie it ain’t. I picked that up as a teenager.

I do find it interesting when people throw the word bitter around though. Says a great deal.

Olivia Newton John said in an interview that when her daughters watch Grease, she makes sure to explain to them how dated it is, and you don't need to change to get a man. She said she cringes over the sexual politics of it now.

She also lived on a diet of tomatoes and lettuce to keep her weight down. She was stitched into the black trousers in the final scene.

It's a great, feel good movie. But the one thing it doesn't do is hold up under analysis.

That Mary Sue article claims Sandy (the 'establishment') was dissatisfied with herself and the Sandy at the end (anti-establishment) is who she wanted to become.

Becles
Thats still better than claiming he almost drowned her for shits and giggles!