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To think the Brexit referendum result should be set aside if allegations of corruption are proved?

376 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/11/2017 09:41

Vanity Fair article about this

Just like the US election last year, there is more and more evidence emerging now that some parts of the Leave campaign were fundedy in very shady ways. Also, social media was manipulated to feed personalised fake news to voters before the referendum. Even the ludicrous #usepens seems to have been pushed by Russian bots as a way of undermining confidence in the electoral process.

We are teetering on the brink of making the biggest political mistake of my lifetime (and I'm in my 50s and remember a good many other bad times). That's bad and bad enough, but if it wasn't even a legitimate vote surely it should just be set aside?

OP posts:
Valentine2 · 03/11/2017 18:10

It will be downright madness to go ahead with Trump. Why is Brexit an exemption? Hmm

MissionItsPossible · 03/11/2017 18:10

I have mentioned before how 4 brexiteers I know personally have died.

All of them were over 70, none of them could say how the eu controlled us or which laws they most objected to and 2 of them seemed under the impression that the vote was about Muslims (they were against). They all would have been quite well-insulated against recession.

Much like the brexiteers on mn. Grin

What's your point? Are their votes less important than yours? If you talked to someone who voted to leave who had far superior knowledge to you in regards to politics and could break down every one of your reasons to vote remain, would it invalidate your vote and give them reason to mock you? Condescending attitudes, like I said before...

Humpsfor20yards · 03/11/2017 18:20

My point was supporting the poster who suggested that were the vote to be held again, many elderly leave voters have passed away.

Their votes weren't invalidated by their bizarre reasoning, unfortunately, no. I don't know where you are getting that from.

SilverySurfer · 03/11/2017 18:25

MissionItsPossible
SilverySurfer if we had voted to remain and I was still moaning about it 18 months later I would seriously consider moving to a country outside of the EU if I hated it that much. I don't know why others want to overturn majority and just do the same (well, I do, but you get the point).

I totally get your point. Majority obviously means different things to different people Hmm

Frankly if Leave had lost I know I wouldn't still be moaning and whining about it 18 months later. If you want to see what a really pathetic pity party looks like I suggest you read the EU Referendum Board, it offers me no end of amusement.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 03/11/2017 18:27

Loads of people who voted remain arent moaning and whining

Loads of people who voted leave would be moaning and whining if they lost

ForalltheSaints · 03/11/2017 18:27

I would prefer a referendum on the deal assuming there is one, with the option to remain.

MissionItsPossible · 03/11/2017 18:31

Humpsfor20yards I got it from your post, it sounded rather sneery but if it wasn't meant to be then I took it wrong and apologise.

SilverySurfer

I wasn't happy when the tories got in in 2015 and was a bit angry for a day or two but then got over it. This board isn't so bad to be honest (I haven't visited the EU referendum board here, however) but if you want to see bitterness, visit the politics forum on DigitalSpy. My god, the amount of vitriol Shock

Humpsfor20yards · 03/11/2017 18:31

Well things are turning out such a success, im not surprised you're amused, silvery.
Grin

News today about nursing shortage due to brexit- what a triumph!

Oh I forgot the posters on this thread don't wish to talk about these things anymore.

End of.

Voiceforreason · 03/11/2017 18:32

Absolute madness. If remain won people would demand a third referendum, best of three rule. It matters not how many have died since. That could be said of any election. Stop straw grasping is my advice.

Humpsfor20yards · 03/11/2017 18:34

How condescending!

MissionItsPossible · 03/11/2017 18:34

Well then why are we on page 6 of this thread, humps, if posters don't wish to talk about these things? Or are you talking about a few?

makeourfuture · 03/11/2017 18:35

Well actually this was not the first referendum.

Humpsfor20yards · 03/11/2017 18:36

Many of the posts are mine Grin

End of.

MissionItsPossible · 03/11/2017 18:36

Yes, because holding your hands up and admitting you may have taken something out of context and apologising is condescending ConfusedHmm

MissionItsPossible · 03/11/2017 18:38

I'll leave you to it, humps I'm going out now. Smile

Humpsfor20yards · 03/11/2017 18:38

I meant voice for reasons post was Flowers

(Mine probably was too!)

sinceyouask · 03/11/2017 18:38

I think there should be a second referendum.

FlowerPot1234 · 03/11/2017 18:44

I think the fact that you do not agree with the outcome of the referendum might just have something to do with your eagerness to set the result aside through a lack of legitimacy... Hmm

It was a legitimate vote. Electorates of all sorts of elections are bombarded with information from all sorts of sources, funding of parties and campaigns tend not to satisfy anyone.. but none of these change the fact that when a voter goes into a polling booth, it is your mind and your decision alone of where to place your X.

The decision has been made. Move on.

specialsubject · 03/11/2017 18:48

Everybody got a mailshot from the remain side, funded by the government. Was that all true?

It was geldof vs f arage. Now there is the definition of a rock and a hard place.

Humpsfor20yards · 03/11/2017 18:54

Pop star/campaigner v racist - what a conundrum.

Farage who thinks the Jewish influence in the us right now is more dangerous than Russias. Hmmm.

MotherofPearl · 03/11/2017 18:57

All these Brexit supports demanding that the rest of us should ‘move on’ really wind me up? Those of us who can see the catastrophic effect that Brexit will have - is already having! - on this country are really concerned about the future. But whenever we express those very legitimate concerns we’re told to ‘move on’. Are we just meant to pretend that everything is fine, when it’s patently anything but fine?

MotherofPearl · 03/11/2017 18:58

supporters, not supports, obviously.
That’s what comes of typing in a rage! Grin

themueslicamel · 03/11/2017 18:59

Pretty sure I made Nigel Farage a cup of tea once back in 2007.

No idea who he was at the time.....

KennDodd · 03/11/2017 19:16

Don't know what should happen. Those of you who think nothing should change, Brexit should not be stopped or paused or re voted, is this the case regardless of how much corruption or foreign (hostile) government interference is uncovered?

Another issue for me that I just don't understand is how campaigners got away with telling out and out lies to the electorate before the vote. Take the 350 million, the department responsible for stats, (whats it called?) told the leave campaign repeatedly to stop using this, it was misleading and untrue, they continued using it with no consequences whatsoever. This can't be right.

KennDodd · 03/11/2017 19:19

Oh, added to question one, does it also make no difference if it is thought this interference was enough to swing the vote?

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