To think the Brexit referendum result should be set aside if allegations of corruption are proved?

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Vanity Fair article about this

Just like the US election last year, there is more and more evidence emerging now that some parts of the Leave campaign were fundedy in very shady ways. Also, social media was manipulated to feed personalised fake news to voters before the referendum. Even the ludicrous #usepens seems to have been pushed by Russian bots as a way of undermining confidence in the electoral process.

We are teetering on the brink of making the biggest political mistake of my lifetime (and I'm in my 50s and remember a good many other bad times). That's bad and bad enough, but if it wasn't even a legitimate vote surely it should just be set aside?

Why what am I missing exactly.
I've been on holiday all over Europe, end off.

Who exactly/specifically it's working hard for a good Brexit Outcome and what specifically will that look like (realistically)?
Currently not looking at all good at my end as companies are stalling contracts

Is not its

the Remainers really should accept the vote. the record is really tiring ....

When you consider that it's now more than 16 months since the Referendum, I don't see prominent Leavers - Gove, Johnson, IDS etc. actually doing much work or putting forward any sensible ideas. What solutions have they for e.g. Northern Ireland - have any of them been over there to have discussions with the people there? I see them talking a load of twaddle to put it politely.

Whilst I did eventually vote Leave, my only reservations were because of the reasons outlined by fig above - EC/EEC/EU membership made it mandatory that the UK enshrined things like Sex Discrimination in Law.

However, bureaucracy is a French word and not well understood nor implemented well in our UK-style of Governance. We are institutionally incapable of nuance as an accepted method of interpretation of Directives; our Civil Servants are drilled into Rule Book Literal.

I don't regret in any way my Leave vote, I'm not at all surprised that negotiations are difficult and expected them to be. I certainly don't expect every 'card' that the UK Govt has to play whilst they deal with 27 other countries to be publicly displayed and known by all before they 'show' it.

I didn't listen to the press-driven shite that either side had to say, I evaluated everything that I knew of and cast my vote.

je ne regrette rien

I'm from Northern Ireland (which voted to remain) and the potential impacts on the country are horrendous, to the extent that my Leave voting DS has got her and her family Irish passport and is looking for jobs in the South. I'm not wedded to the idea of being in the EU, but now we are beginning to realise the horrors unfolding, and this government's desperately inept handling of it (I don't think Labour would do any better btw) I'd be happier if we held off for a few years and had a proper, grown up discussion about it. Article 50 should never have been triggered until we knew what we wanted and were really ready to negotiate. Our politicians haven't a clue what it means, and the whole thing will fall into the hands of lawyers who will drag it out for years. There is no solution that more than a tiny minority will be happy with at any point. There are 50 shades of Brexit and what we get will be far less satisfactory than what we have now.

Personally, I am happy that we have Sex Discrimination Laws in the UK, whether they originate from the EU or were home grown. I can remember the time back in the sixties when it was quite legitimate for men to be paid more than women for doing exactly the same job.

Lelly I agree with you that the 'Border' situation between NI and RoI is of the greatest importance and frankly shouldn't be used as a 'bargaining chip' in Brexit. The Peace didn't happen because of the EU and the major 'outside' player was the USA, we mustn't let the EU turn it into another 'fight'.

A way to make it work can be found, as the majority of people in NI, ROI and UK (mainland and islands) want The Peace maintained.

One of the reasons that I considered when deciding my vote was that the EU was forming objections to the 'special relationship' between the ROI and UK, advocating that the special 'considerations' were against EU Law.

Article 50 should never have been triggered until we knew what we wanted and were really ready to negotiate. Our politicians haven't a clue what it means

Yes. But I feel the same about the referendum in general. There is, and never was, any sort of even the most basic plan.

I can understand, perhaps, blunt nationalism, but this is incompetence.

In this thread, one poster has lost her job due to brexit and another is is losing hers. Another's company is stalling. Another is worried about her status in the uk. Another just above, is scared of the troubles returning to Ireland.

Is it really too much to ask for you to outline some of the good things that are going to happen from March 2019. Y'know rather than 'get over it', give those of us whose lives are being turned upside down something to look forward to.

“Is it really too much to ask for you to outline some of the good things that are going to happen from March 2019.”

I know, I know!!!

We can still keep our billions offshore in tax havens!

Surely getting blue passports is enough for everyone

the EU was forming objections to the 'special relationship' between the ROI and UK, advocating that the special 'considerations' were against EU Law.

The CTA, which predates the UK and Ireland joining the EEC/EU, is documented under Protocol 20 of the TFEU though?

If you think the EU favoured bureaucracy over children being murdered, you are really really silly.

Just heard some discussion on the radio about South Korea and the trade deal it has with the EU. It was suggested that this could just be copied and pasted into a UK deal. Apparently South Korea have said that they had to make a lot of concessions to the EU because of it's much greater size and therefore negotiating power and that they would want a better deal (for them, worse for us) from the UK. I think every other country in the world is also going to know that we're in a weaker position to negotiate a trade deal outside the EU, well, every county except us, we somehow think we'll be in a stronger position on our own.

As for being a patriot, I do support my country but I don't do it blindly regardless of what we do. And I do also feel European, having this identity (and rights) striped from me is really painful. I know that's going to open me up to the piss takers.

“was suggested that this could just be copied and pasted into a UK deal. “

Well that’s my first belly laugh of the day.
Idiots.

“having this identity (and rights) striped from me is really painful”

And stripped from our children let’s not forget. Irish passport, here we come. No small minded dickheads get to take my dd’s rights away in a fit of pique against “the man”.

No chance of an Irish passport for me. I'm sure getting one marks you out as a traitor to some.

No chance of an Irish passport for me either.

Is it really too much to ask for you to outline some of the good things that are going to happen from March 2019

I remember there was talk about a "revitalised" Commonwealth. And I was imagining someone calling up Australia and saying, "Hey we're getting the band back together..."

If I get marked as a traitor then we really are in a fecking mess. No wait .. we really are in a fecking mess.