Sarah Vine: ‘If this hysterical Westminster witch hunt is what a world run by women looks like, count me out’

[gluteustothemaximus]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5037545/SARAH-VINE-hysterical-Westminster-witch-hunt.html#ixzz4xIfYLwOP

Sorry. I should know better than to get wound up by the daily mail, or Sarah Vine.

Lines like: What started as a WhatsApp group of parliamentary employees swapping notes on their bosses has turned into a mob of aggrieved ‘victims’ claiming a million sexual micro-aggressions against a number of unnamed individuals who, it seems, are not even allowed to know where they are supposed to have overstepped the mark.

Poor menz. Not knowing what constitutes sexual harassment.

Or perhaps that depends on your point of view. Because there is a strong cultural and generational element to this, too. Most of the accused are over 40; most of the accusers are in their 20s. In other words, it’s the revenge of the millennials, many of whom will have had their senses of humour surgically removed at university.

Riiight. So anyone who is harassed, doesn’t have a sense of humour if they don’t laugh it off?

Like that stupid ‘Metoo’ hashtag that started trending after the Harvey Weinstein scandal broke, these are not real expressions of emancipation: they are empty, attention-seeking gestures

I tweeted about my rape. I can assure you it wasn’t attention seeking.

AIBU to be sad that some women, like sarah, feel like this?

God, we have along way to go.

[lalalalyra]

I think a lot of men are completely oblivious to that fact that little things often add up to a bigger picture over a long period of time. I, very briefly, worked with a man who was "misunderstood" when he touched his female colleagues on the leg or arm or bottom. He was just friendly and a "touchy-feely" kind of guy. He was "super-keen" or "persistant" when he cornerned a colleague at the Christmas do and tried ot badger her into a date (apparently she should have been flattered by how keen he was on her).

I didn't know him that well at all thankfully, but not a single one of the women were surprised at all when he was arrested on suspicion of rape. Yet the 5 guys in my little office were stunned. To them there was no clue ever that he was in any way predatory toward women. Even when incidents were pointed out to them they couldn't see how that was the same at all.

[SonicBoomBoom]

Anna Soubry seems to be talking more sense than usual at the moment.

[OnionShite]

Thick as Sarah Vine is, she's not thick enough to think Fallon is actually going because of a hand on knee 15 years ago, on someone who has been clear she doesn't actually want him to go.

The reason he's going is because he knows there's more to come if he stays, and some of it will be worse. I am also wondering about blackmail here: wouldn't particularly surprise me if May and/or the whips knew exactly what he'd been up to and are making him go, to be replaced by a loyalist, in return for keeping some shreds of reputation intact.

That's what's really happening here.

[OlennasWimple]

Yy Prickly

[FizzyGreenWater]

So one of the first jobs in the brave new female-run world will be handing Sarah Vine the suicide pills? This is sounding better and better

[shhhfastasleep]

Diddums.

[sagamartha]

And if you do speak out, the Daily Mail go and do a full hatchet job on you.

There are some brave women speaking out at the moment - knowing how the press will treat them.

And I can't get over papers like the Sun and the Mail talking about this - and then having fucking page 3 and the sidebar of shame. Hypocrites.

[PricklyBall]

Admittedly this is based on Michael Dobbs' novels (but bear in mind Dobbs was a Tory MP for donkeys years, so he's writing as an insider) - but his Westminster is one in which the Whips' Office has extensive dossiers on everyone, including some MPs accused of paedophilia. Now, obviously there's poetic licence and exagerating for the sake of spinning a good yarn... but: Did the whips know who was "handsy in taxis"? Course they bloody did.

[OlennasWimple]

Andrew Pierce and Jan Moir have whipped out their best poison pens to write appalling character assassinations on Kate Maltby

[OnionShite]

Is that the internationally renowned forensic pathologist Jan Moir?

[badbadhusky]

Anna Soubry seems to be talking more sense than usual at the moment.

She spoke lots of sense on that Beeb Brexit documentary too. Increasingly I hear her saying what I am thinking when she is interviewed. Establishment Westminster types must hate her & I have no doubt her colleagues have her pegged as a loose cannon, but there is something refreshing about her candour and willingness to speak as she finds. I thought her tack on Womans Hour was very interesting. Of course there is more to come on Fallon.

[LondonNicki]

If someone's been raped they have the choice to report it to the police. If they decide to keep quiet because it might affect their career, well thats their choice

Wow. You are pretty disgusting. Would you say the same to a child abused by an adult, a public harassed by a teacher, a junior member of staff manhandled by a senior employee?

You see - this is about power and no, it's not as simple as you have a choice' to report it.

[MexicanBob]

Speaking as a man, I am more than happy to count Ms Vine out of any world whether it's run by women, men or gerbils. And that goes for her idiot husband as well.

[LaurieMarlow]

She's married to michael gove

If that's not evidence of her self hating nature, I don't know what it.

[badbadhusky]

If that's not evidence of her self hating nature, I don't know what it.

It could be argued that she is taking one for the team by keeping him off the dating scene. However, if he’s on that snapchat list as a roving sex pest, all bets are off.

[PhilODox]

Also, Michael fallon’s comment of ‘what was acceptable 15 years ago, isn’t acceptable now’.
No, it was NEVER acceptable to women. What you got away with 15 years ago is not the same as ‘acceptable’ behaviour.

Thank you!
I thought exactly this when I heard it on Today this morning

I really would like to see a world without Sarah Vine in it, run by women or not.

[Grimbles]

I have Sarah Vine because she makes me feel sorry for Gove

[lalalalyra]

I am also wondering about blackmail here: wouldn't particularly surprise me if May and/or the whips knew exactly what he'd been up to and are making him go, to be replaced by a loyalist, in return for keeping some shreds of reputation intact.

Also if he goes as then one "falling on his sword when he only touched a knee" then there's a fair chance he'll get a ministerial position back in a few years when the fuss has died down and people are focussed on something else.

[BigChocFrenzy]

The Sun reports that Andrea Leadsom - his cabinet colleague - handed Theresa May a dossier of offensive remarks he'd made to her and said he had to leave.

Leadsom is hardly a Millennial

[PickAChew]

Even posh women can be as thick as mince.

[BigChocFrenzy]

Damian Green, in effect May's deputy PM, is trying to save his political career by claiming a woman mistook a naughty table cloth for his hand

[BigChocFrenzy]

Suggesting crudely to a cabinet colleague that he's got somewhere to put her cold hands is thick as mince

[PickAChew]

Well, yeah, posh blokes, too. And bloody sleazy with it.

[BigChocFrenzy]

Tory whips used files on scandals ‘with small boys’ to demand loyalty
May was requested 3 years ago (when Home Sec) to check if this was still going on, but didn't

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tory-whips-used-files-on-scandals-with-small-boys-to-demand-loyalty-jwgxrs5gk

[gluteustothemaximus]

I can’t help myself, reading the comments.

This one’s fun: There is going to be an awful lot of single women in the future, and it will be their own fault, men cant do right for being wrong

This is so far from the truth.

And this one, got over 400 likes! A superb article. How refreshing to read some good sound common sense after the hysterical claptrap of the last few days.

Can’t get my head around attitudes like these. Talk of feminism gawn mad, precious little entitled snowflakes etc they genuinely seem to believe fallon resigned over knee touching, and it’s all down to feminism