To believe that sex is not 'assigned' at birth, but observed?

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I filled in a form for British gymnastics yesterday and was asked whether my child's gender identity matches the sex he was assigned at birth. I started a thread about this elsewhere and other people said that they have also had this question on forms. Upon asking, one person was told that it is a result of new government regulations coming in, meaning they have to ask it.

Does anybody know what these regulations are? Is there anybody who genuinely believes that sex is assigned at birth rather than observed? If so, could you explain why? I am very concerned that something so clearly untrue is being slipped in under the radar. There was no option to disagree with the question and any answer implied that I agree with what the question states: that sex is assigned at birth.

Would be especially interesting to hear from midwives/doctors.

To clarify, I am talking about your biological sex. Not gender.

I totally get why they ask on the gymnastic forms.

You get marked down for not having the correct clothing.

Children with GID often can't wear the clothing they are supposed to wear as it's quite tight.

It's unfair to mark them down.

Maybe the clothing choices should be changed for everyone and there wouldn't be so much of an issue.

OP, I agree with you. I feel the same about forms asking which gender I identify with. I don't - I think gender is an oppressive social construct so why would I identify with it? I am female, that's it. None of the option s allow you the reject the whole concept. Intersex has been misappropriated (and against the wishes of eg the AISS) by some activists.

It's just misuse of the language to cloud meaning. Sex is an innate characteristic. The word assigned doesn't really have meaning in this context. We're just going to have to put up with this until sense returns.

I don't really get the issue. It's basically asking for the sex of your child that is on the birth certificate.

I’d be tempted to refuse to answer that bollox question.

Is there an option you can tick for “fuck off, not telling”?

I don't really get the issue. It's basically asking for the sex of your child that is on the birth certificate

You have already answered what sex they are though, this is entirely different.

sex is fact, it's science, it's definable.

gender is bollocks. Or not.

I assume because a baby could be intersex - they could have female appearing genitalia and therefore be 'assigned' female. But it could become subseqently apparent that they are in fact biologically male through having XY chromosomes. Therefore the sex 'assigned' at birth may not always be correct. (Aware I am massively oversimplifying in this example.)

I agree my daughter was incorrectly assigned male at birth, she is female I shouldn't need to say anything otherwise

What now? Does she have a penis?

Assigned means you give or allocate something to someone. Babies already have a sex. You can't give it or take it away.

If it has such limited use in that way, why is it being included in forms by huge organisations? Would the average parent know that the word assigned in that context means something totally different to the usually understood meaning of 'assigned'?

I have heard arguments where a person claims that they were assigned the incorrect sex. Not intersex people, but people who are one sex claiming that they belong to the other and that their sex was forced upon them/chosen for them in the way that the usual meaning of assigned would imply.

She has a large clit, we don't call it a penis and is saying to get srs

Is it what everyone else would call a penis?

Of course it is pushed on them as the child couldn't tell the doctor their real sex at the time

Is this a joke?

It's got nothing to do with being inclusive to intersex people. It's part of the current trans agenda.

Sonya, is your child intersex? I don't understand how biological sex could be misidentified except in the case of intersex children.

It's not just gymnastics. Other people mentioned seeing it on forms for work/uni. One person had to answer it to join the national trust. Somebody who asked was told that this was because of new government regulations coming in, not the choice of the individual organisations.

I have heard arguments where a person claims that they were assigned the incorrect sex

That’s just silly though. If someone is 100% male or female at birth then that’s the sex they would be ‘assigned’, unless people think you shouldn’t be assigned any sex in the first place.

I don’t see how the question is problematic.

I haven't rtft so apologies if this has already been stated but it isn't assigned at birth, genitalia is simply noted & in the case of an intersex child being born registration can be delayed:

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/numberofbabieswithintersextraits

The current use of "assigned at birth" rather than "observed" is a political one, not a medical one. It places the sex of the baby (ie whether it has a penis or a vulva) as something the doctors decided (and which therefore can be wrong) rather than something which just intrinsically is. It's so that some trans people can position their biological sex as something that was forced on them without their consent by Evil Doctors, instead of the simple biological reality that it is.

It's bullshit, all of it. Most people are clearly observable to be one sex or another, with a tiny, tiny number of people who are intersex. There's no "assigned" about it.

Gender is a social construct, in fact a social cage, a social hierarchy, and is not observable at birth.

So you genuinely believe that sex is 'assigned' to all children, with the usually understood meaning of the word assigned? That it is allocated? Why?

Surely the question is just a way to find out if someone is transgender (or intersex)?

Surely if there was any doubt about the sex of a baby at birth due to its anatomy, then a simple blood test to determine if the chromosomes were XX or XY would be the deciding factor. Other than that it would just be 'noted' as male or female.