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To wonder how many people have CFS/ME?

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millionsmissing · 30/10/2017 16:15

Recently a close family member has been diagnosed with ME. It's an awful illness that is stealing her youth.

She doesn't speak about it because of the stigma and lack of any available treatment or research into possible treatment.

She has resigned herself to having to live with this condition, probably for ever. She went from being active, fit and doing a job she loved to being unable to read, drive, hold a conversation without losing the thread of what she was saying. This happened, quite literally, overnight.

When she was first diagnosed she learned that many people with this condition find themselves so ill they are unable to get out of bed for years. She is lucky in that she is not as ill as many people are. But she doesn't know if she will ever again be able to hold down any full-time job, let alone one that allows her to use the skills she has worked hard to develop.

It's an invisible illness.

No-one sees her when she is feeling really unwell. She stays in her room, with the lights dimmed, and the heating on, whatever the weather, wearing the big jacket she no longer needs for mountaineering. She has all the kit for this illness, hats, gloves, down jackets and sleeping bags - she never thought they would be used for this.

Most people have no idea how ill she is, she only sees them when she is well enough to power through on adrenaline.

She doesn't look ill. People are constantly telling her how glad they are she is better when she is well enough to socialise. She has stopped telling them she isn't because they can see for themselves that she looks fine and so they assume she is either lazy or a hypochondriac.

But the energy used on not looking ill costs her days as she recovers enough energy to function again. She often finds herself without the energy to stand up for long enough to have a shower.

So AIBU to wonder how many others suffer from this condition and to be outraged that we are not researching like crazy to find the biomedical causes of this illness that is stealing the lives of so many?

OP posts:
WoodYouBeHappy · 09/11/2017 10:03

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-41888146 Jen Brea & Unrest

Brew Flowers Cake to everyone.

BananasAreGood · 09/11/2017 10:43

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Nightshirt · 09/11/2017 17:46

Glad she is much better. 2 years is v short duration and post viral fatigue can take a few years to come back from. As Dr Ramsey said, post viral fatigue conditions are not ME. However, we need more research to truly identify. Also said if people are to recover from ME, it will more likely happen in the first few years.

Nightshirt · 09/11/2017 17:50

Thanks @WoodYouBeHappy, good article :)

This by US ME doc good article too scopeblog.stanford.edu/2017/11/08/demystifying-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/

Nightshirt · 09/11/2017 17:51

Ps to add post viral fatigue can make patient v unwell, more than fatigue, but ultimately self limiting.

Nightshirt · 09/11/2017 17:53

From the Stanford uni article - encouraging:

"“This is telling the world that we have finally a biological correlate for these patients’ symptoms,” he said to me in a recent Q&A for Stanford Medicine News. “These patients are not crazy. Our findings validate their symptoms — that their illness is real and has a biological basis. Now that we know that this is something real, ingrained in the biology of the body and the immune system that explains why these patients are so sick, we could end up with a blood test, but equally or more exciting, now we can find drugs to conquer the disease.”

RockinHippy · 09/11/2017 18:00

A lot more than actual have it, that’s for sure. Show your relative this link, this is very often the true cause of CFS/M.E. & several other conditions too. Look on the frequent misdiagnosis page...

Took 14 years for me to finally get a correct diagnosis & that’s even knowing we had the hereditary version in the family.

Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos is also with looking into, we turned out to have that too....

www.b12deficiency.info/

Nightshirt · 09/11/2017 18:16

70 % of people recover within 3 years. A further 10% within another year. Is unusual to have it longer than 5 years. Chances are she will recover.

The recovery rates above quoted on the second page here by @2014newme are way off @millionsmissing. US Professor Leonard Jason who has done some epidemiology research says: “(ME)CFS is characterised by a pattern of relapse and remission over long periods of time, making it even more difficult to assess recovery rates. Full recovery from (ME)CFS appears to be rare in adults, with an average of only 5% - 10%”.

NHS CFS clinics give out v inaccurate info frequently on ME and use the flawed biopsychosocial model of ME. Long story. Complex history. NHS guidelines are now finally under review, won't be published until 2020. Biomedical model of ME slowly gaining ground, rightly so.

Nightshirt · 09/11/2017 18:18

@RockinHippy, there is undoubtedly a high misdiagnosis rate. Research has shown this. However, ME is definitely a neuroimmune disease in its own right.

RockinHippy · 09/11/2017 18:45

Oh I know Knightshirt, I’m not disputing that at all, but I know so many people who years down the line finally got a different, correct diagnosis, but only because they did their own research & hassled the hell out of their doctors. Like Fibromyalgia, it’s too often a lazy assed doctor diagnosis. Not that they admitted to being wrong of course, I still have ME & Fibromyalgia diagnosis, but B12 injections help a lot

WoodYouBeHappy · 09/11/2017 18:57

This thread is going well . Some very interesting links and POV.

Where are you getting all your info from Nightshirt and where do you find the energy to keep posting? Wink You've answered lots of my questions/theories. Trouble is my energy/cognitive functioning is so erratic at this time of year, I find the internet draining & often can't post. If I can, it seems to be with the aid of adrenaline Angry then I crash afterwards.

Thanks Rockin I've read your posts before. That website is excellent. I know someone who had undiagnosed pernicious anaemia and have come off all supplements before I have my next bloods (3 month gap).

WoodYouBeHappy · 09/11/2017 19:05

Oh and I didn't use the @function as it rarely works for me. Have used some energy to report on Site Stuff and it seems they're looking into it.

BonnesVacances · 10/11/2017 11:41

In case you haven't seen the media interest in the film Unrest, it seems to be really picking up. The trailer is here and you can buy and watch the whole film online at the following places.

iTunes

Amazon
Google Play

butterfly56 · 10/11/2017 12:28

Here's how I found out part of the cause of my CFS/ME

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2631263/How-doctors-failing-spot-brain-injury-30-000-cases-chronic-fatigue.html

I had a head injury in 2002 fall from a horse. I was told I had damaged all the soft tissue at the top of my spine and sent home from Xray dept without any information about looking for symptoms.
Fast forward to 2015 and have been diagnosed with Hypopituitarism due to TBI.

butterfly56 · 10/11/2017 12:38

Here's the other reason/diagnosis following a Mitochondrial Function Test.
drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Central_Cause:_Mitochondrial_Failure

timeistight · 10/11/2017 13:31

I was diagnosed with CFS/ME in 2010, on two separate occasions, by two consultants who appear to have thought it was more economical for the NHS to do that and discharge me without offering any support, than to diagnose and treat my hypothyroidism, vitamin B12 deficiency and severe vitamin D and iron deficiencies.

In the end, I had to do it all myself, and it took several years, but I am now completely recovered.

I know quite a few women in their 40s and 50s with diagnoses of CFS/ME and/or fibromyalgia and it's surprising how many of them obviously have treatable issues that are being ignored because of the diagnoses they have been given.

When the literature put out by the NHS for CFS/ME talks of no diagnostic test, no treatment and an infinite variety of symptoms, and the diagnostic criteria for fibromyagia have been widened beyond all logic, you would do well to be cautious.

Remember too, that you will feel exhausted and fatigued after a serious infection. This is absolutely normal and is why previous generations were sent to convalescent homes to rest and have fresh air. We don't do that any more, more's the pity, we just take the antibiotics and go straight back to work.

Nightshirt · 10/11/2017 15:09

Thanks @RockinHippy for explaining. Glad treating the missed B12 deficiency has helped you improve.

Yes, @timeistight, misdiagnosis rate is high meaning those people are missing out on treatments that can help or bring them back to full health. I take thyroid meds, vit D, tried B12 injections too. Still severely affected with ME so thryoid not the root cause for me, ME just affected it. Know for some it is missed underactive thyroid. ME using the tighter case definitions has a distinct symptom picture, yet too many doctors giving lots of people a CFS diagnosis when they in fact have something treatable.

@WoodYouBeHappy, Posting earlier in the week on this thread did me in. Like you, commenting on line is very draining for me and increases pain. I am actually having to dictate this to my carer as I am too ill to do it today. I have been ill for 19 years and a member of a few ME groups so have picked up a lot of information over the years. I am sorry you have this illness too severely, it's not easy and obviously I can relate very well how mentally and physically draining it is to comment online and the need to pace it. Easier said than done, I know too well! More research is happening, thankfully, but long way to go. Take care xx

Nightshirt · 10/11/2017 15:13

Ps I too had to go private to access thryoid meds initially, and B12 injections. but as said, didn't treat my ME, still ill.

WiseDad · 10/11/2017 20:26

@nightshirt. The mature Voice of Wisdom. Thx.

Have some papers on this for weekend reading including lancet articles and letters on PACE study. Thx for prompting action.

mrsreynolds · 10/11/2017 20:37

Was dx in 1997
First got ill in 1995
Relapsing remitting
Dx of fibromyalgia in 2010
Vit d deficiency dx last year
It's rubbish

mrsreynolds · 10/11/2017 20:39

Oh! And 2 herniated discs
And ibs

Nightshirt · 12/11/2017 12:19

@wisedad, sounds like you have a lot of fun reading to do this weekend ;)

Does your reading include the August issue the Journal of Health Psychology which devoted its entire journal that month to papers showing the problems with the PACE study? If not, here is the link journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1359105317722370

Also this short paper just came out showing the harm that can be cashed by CBT and GET for people with ME.
www.openaccessjournals.com/articles/studies-and-surveys-implicate-potential-iatrogenic-harm-of-cognitive-behavioral-therapy-and-graded-exercise-therapy-for-myalgic-en-12190.html

Nightshirt · 12/11/2017 12:19

Typo, above 'caused' not 'cashed'

millifiori · 12/11/2017 12:28

OP, I had it but not as badly as your relative. I spent two years in bed, pretty much and had to give up on a lot of dreams and plans. Recovery ewas slow but I dedicated a whole year to nothing but getting better, and that helped. I did nothing that didn't serve healing.

A close friend had it too. She went to see a naturopath (is that the word?) who said it was adrenal fatigue which the mainstream medical world dismiss. She was put on a series of expensive supplements which really did get her well again and she swears by them.

I also found supplements helped - mainly iron, Vit D spray, L-Tyrosine, Vit B multi and cutting out/down on sugar and alcohol though I never managed to cut out caffeine. Has she tried all these?

Nightshirt · 12/11/2017 12:31

@wisedad, the terrible thing is what research is showing now was being shown in the 80s and the early 90's then the psychs got involved and 30 years has been wasted on their bogus biopsychosocial model of me. Good tweet here about it mobile.twitter.com/keithgeraghty/status/929330060087177217

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