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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 10:57

Education officials expect ‘ineffective’ Betsy DeVos to step down as her agenda collapses: report

www.rawstory.com/2017/11/education-officials-expect-ineffective-betsy-devos-to-step-down-as-her-agenda-collapses-report/#.Wfrqv8c3jng.twitter

PerkingFaintly · 02/11/2017 11:06

So, right-wing billionaire proclaims federal government should have small powers, not be in control of people's lives.

Is surprised to discover federal government has small powers and isn't in control of people's lives.

Dear oh dear.Grin

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lionheart · 02/11/2017 11:06

Good news, unless they dredge up someone who is worse.

I didn't think she'd have much staying power. Religious zeal and money will only get you so far, plus, there is the taint of the investigation.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 11:08

www.aei.org/publication/after-canada-it-is-time-for-the-eus-magnitsky-act/

After Canada, it is time for the EU’s Magnitsky Act

Yesterday, a group of Members of European Parliament (MEPs) led by Guy Verhofstadt, the former Prime Minister of Belgium and head of the center-right Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe (ALDE) in the European Parliament (EP), called on the Estonian Presidency of the European Council to push for the adoption of the EU’s own Magnitsky Act. The letter was signed by MEPs across the political spectrum, from the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats, to the Greens, ALDE and the European People’s Party, and the Tory-dominated European Conservatives and Reformists.

Because of the EU’s legislative procedures, the MEPs cannot propose the law themselves — the European Commission (EC) normally holds a monopoly on drafting of new legislation. At most, the EP can adopt non-binding resolutions urging other European institutions to act. There have been several of those since the adoption of the Magnitsky Act in the United States in 2012, which imposes asset freezes and travel bans on individuals complicit in human rights violations and/or substantial corruption.

[and there's more]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 11:11

lion Religious zeal and money is part of why the Mercers are so powerful so I wasn't as confident that she would be ousted but I'm glad it's on the cards!

It is encouraging that the rule of law seems to be holding in some cases - hoping that it works with Mueller's investigation.

PerkingFaintly · 02/11/2017 11:16

She ain't gone yet, of course...

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 11:16

There hasn't been any consequences for violating the emoluments clause yet and despite all the other scandals, they keep enriching Trump without a care in the world. Hopefully something comes of this

American Oversight‏*@weareoversight*

Former Mexican Ambassador to the US says State Department has been told to recommend Trump hotels. We will be FOIAing this. (h/t @Z_Everson)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 11:22

This is something to be dealt with in The Aftermath (should we get there). How legitimate is Gorsuch as a SC judge? He's not acting particularly ethically but should Trump be found to conspire against the US, will that delegitimise Gorsuch's appointment (leaving aside how it was stolen from Garland)?

Elizabeth Warren‏*@SenWarren*
Justice Gorsuch will likely be the deciding vote in a case to strip public sector unions of the resources they need to give workers a voice.

The very same day SCOTUS announced they’d hear Janus v AFSCME, Gorsuch was hobnobbing with anti-union funders at the Trump Hotel.

Read my @Politico op-ed on why Supreme Court justices must demonstrate their commitment to equal justice under law.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/01/supreme-court-ethics-problem-elizabeth-warren-opinion-215772

The Hill‏*@thehill*

Warren to introduce bill requiring Supreme Court ethics code after Gorsuch speaks at Koch-linked event: bit.ly/2xK5GDW

David A Fernandez‏ @lawdavisito94

Why is a Supreme Court Justice (Neil Gorsuch) at an event backed by the most powerful lobbying family (Koch Bros)? Serious ethical concern.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 11:48

Excellent

Recall: Trump said it "could've been China," Hannity has said it was Seth Rich, Assange has sworn WikiLeaks' source wasn't Russia.

Between the WSJ and AP reporting this morning, the link between the DNC hackers and the Russian government is clearer than ever.

Prosecutors Consider Bringing Charges in DNC Hacking Case
At least six Russian government officials are identified as part of ongoing investigation

www.wsj.com/articles/prosecutors-consider-bringing-charges-in-dnc-hacking-case-1509618203

The Justice Department has identified more than six members of the Russian government involved in hacking the Democratic National Committee’s computers and swiping sensitive information that became public during the 2016 presidential election, according to people familiar with the investigation.

Prosecutors and agents have assembled evidence to charge the Russian officials and could bring a case next year, these people said. Discussions about the case are in the early stages, they said.

If filed, the case would provide the clearest picture yet of the actors behind the DNC intrusion. U.S. intelligence agencies have attributed the attack to Russian intelligence services, but haven't provided detailed information about how they concluded those services were responsible, or any details about the individuals allegedly involved.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 11:49

Sorry, I chopped off the first tweet

Natasha Bertrand‏*@NatashaBertrand* 3
Wow--DOJ has identified >6 members of the Russian government involved in the DNC hacks, could bring charges in 2018

cozietoesie · 02/11/2017 12:58

Across

My commiserations for last night’s loss. Still.....,They got there. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 13:25

I didn't think this would be possible once we found out he had testified in front of a grand jury - imagine what they could have asked him at the confirmation hearing!

Still not confirmed to fall through but I really can't see him going ahead with being appointed

David Wright‏*@DavidWright*_CNN

New: WH source: Sam Clovis's nomination to USDA post in danger & could be pulled bc of Russia probe

edition.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/sam-clovis-department-of-agriculture/index.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 13:31

These weren't linked but I think they go well together

Chris Said‏ @Chris_Said
Fire alarms aren't useful because they tell you there's fire. They're useful because they tell you it's socially acceptable to react.

intelligence.org/2017/10/13/fire-alarm/

One might think that the function of a fire alarm is to provide you with important evidence about a fire existing, allowing you to change your policy accordingly and exit the building.

In the classic experiment by Latane and Darley in 1968, eight groups of three students each were asked to fill out a questionnaire in a room that shortly after began filling up with smoke. Five out of the eight groups didn’t react or report the smoke, even as it became dense enough to make them start coughing. Subsequent manipulations showed that a lone student will respond 75% of the time; while a student accompanied by two actors told to feign apathy will respond only 10% of the time. This and other experiments seemed to pin down that what’s happening is pluralistic ignorance. We don’t want to look panicky by being afraid of what isn’t an emergency, so we try to look calm while glancing out of the corners of our eyes to see how others are reacting, but of course they are also trying to look calm.

A fire alarm creates common knowledge, in the you-know-I-know sense, that there is a fire; after which it is socially safe to react. When the fire alarm goes off, you know that everyone else knows there is a fire, you know you won’t lose face if you proceed to exit the building.

The fire alarm doesn’t tell us with certainty that a fire is there. In fact, I can’t recall one time in my life when, exiting a building on a fire alarm, there was an actual fire. Really, a fire alarm is weaker evidence of fire than smoke coming from under a door.

But the fire alarm tells us that it’s socially okay to react to the fire. It promises us with certainty that we won’t be embarrassed if we now proceed to exit in an orderly fashion.

And

Jon Favreau@jonfavs

In the long run, the Murdoch propaganda empire may prove to be more damaging to our democracy than any Russian influence campaign.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 13:32

Rule of law maybe under even more of a threat

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 13:33

...posted too soon

ProPublica‏*@ProPublica*

Inspector Generals are supposed to investigate wrong-doing. Trump’s pick to be CIA’s IG allegedly misled Congress

www.propublica.org/article/administrations-nominee-for-cia-watchdog-allegedly-misled-congress

Two former CIA employees say the Trump administration’s nominee to be CIA inspector general misled Congress last month when he testified he was unaware of pending complaints they had filed against him.

The allegations against nominee Christopher Sharpley, the acting inspector general, have prompted concerns among both Democratic and Republican senators and could delay his confirmation. They also expose a rift between the CIA inspector general’s office and the oversight office for all intelligence community programs. More broadly, they raise questions about how well intelligence agencies are implementing policies that were introduced to protect whistleblowers after former NSA contractor Edward Snowden was charged with espionage for leaking classified documents.

Lawyers for Andrew Bakaj and Jonathan Kaplan, both ex-employees of the CIA inspector general’s office, sent letters to the Senate in the past two weeks, saying that Sharpley is one of the CIA officials named in pending complaints they filed in 2014 and 2015. Sharpley “deliberately misled Congress during his sworn testimony,” Kaplan’s attorneys wrote in their letter.

The complaints, included as attachments to the letters, allege Sharpley and other senior officials violated whistleblower safeguards by retaliating against the staffers for reporting wrongdoing in the inspector general’s office. Bakaj’s security clearance was suspended and he was placed on administrative leave, and Kaplan received a warning letter that ultimately resulted in the loss of his security clearance.

During Sharpley’s confirmation hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Oct. 17, California Democrat Dianne Feinstein cited a published report that showed there were pending complaints against him. “What do you know about this?” she asked.

“If there are complaints, if there are investigations out there, I’m unaware of it,” he said.

Only five days earlier, the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general, which is investigating Bakaj’s complaint, had asked to interview Sharpley in the matter and been told he would be available after his testimony on Capitol Hill, according to a letter sent by Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden and Iowa Republican Chuck Grassley to Senate Intelligence Committee members. Wyden is on the committee; Grassley isn’t, but has long championed whistleblower protections. The Wyden letter also says the investigating attorney for DHS frequently visited the CIA inspector general’s office this year to review relevant documents.

“In light of these facts, we believe Mr. Sharpley should explain in detail precisely how it is possible that he could have been unaware of any open investigations against him at the time he testified,” the senators wrote.

Kaplan said his complaint, which is being handled by the intelligence community inspector general, is also ongoing. That office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 14:04

Mueller Reveals Manafort Link to Organized Crime

amp.thedailybeast.com/mueller-reveals-new-manafort-link-to-organized-crime

Buried deep in Robert Mueller’s indictment of Paul Manafort is a new link between Donald Trump’s former campaign and Russian organized crime.

The indictment (PDF), unsealed on Monday, includes an extensive look into Paul Manafort’s byzantine financial dealings. In particular, it details how he used a company called Lucicle Consultants Limited to wire millions of dollars into the United States.

The Cyprus-based Lucicle Consultants Limited, in turn, reportedly received millions of dollars from a businessman and Ukrainian parliamentarian named Ivan Fursin, who is closely linked to one of Russia’s most notorious criminals: Semion Mogilevich.

Mogilevich is frequently described as “the most dangerous mobster in the world.” Currently believed to be safe in Moscow, he is, according to the FBI, responsible for weapons trafficking, contract killings, and international prostitution. In 2009, he made the bureau’s Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list.

“Ivan Fursin was a senior figure in the Mogilevich criminal organization,” Taras Kuzio, a non-resident fellow at Johns Hopkins-SAIS’ Center for Transatlantic Relations and a specialist on the region told The Daily Beast. Fursin, he added, was a “senior figure” in Mogilevich’s criminal group.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 02/11/2017 14:13

Comey's twitter game is on point!

He tweeted this article out

James Comey book title: "A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies and Leadership"

www.axios.com/james-comey-book-title-a-higher-loyalty-2505339540.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

with this caption

Reinhold Niebuhr‏ @FormerBu

Lordy I hope there are pictures.

And then this exchange occurred

Steve Niles‏ @SteveNilesCBC

Replying to @FormerBu
What about an Oxford comma dude? That title...

Reinhold Niebuhr‏ @FormerBu

Check the actual cover. I’m all about Oxford commas.

Grin
PerkingFaintly · 02/11/2017 14:48

That's very cute comma.Grin

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badbadhusky · 02/11/2017 15:02

Just had to google the Oxford comma. DH and I are now up to speed & I would argue it would be superfluous in Comey’s title.

Lweji · 02/11/2017 15:11

Just in case you're not on DACWAAD.

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued
PerkingFaintly · 02/11/2017 15:25

But nice to avoid the ambiguity, in these days of Kellyanne Alternative Facts.

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