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To have excluded ds2 from pizza treat and fed him spaghetti on toast? Because ex thinks I was

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theduchessstill · 25/10/2017 12:45

Two dc aged 10 & 8. Since they broke up on Friday the sitting room has become more and more toy-filled. At the weekend they built a civilisation involving pretty much every toy they own, and did play with it a lot. They didn't want to put it away as they intended to play with it again, but we've been out a lot since then and they never did.

Day out yesterday and I bought pizza on the way home as treat 'final' tea with me before they go to their dad's, which they did this morning. I made it clear they would have to clear up the sitting room before I cooked it. When we got in, ds2 refused: put one thing away and then sat whining. Ds1 got on with it without complaining. To my shame, ds2 also stuck his middle finger up at me several times (new thing he seems to have picked up from school I suppose). We had been down a coalmine and learnt about children who worked in them and at one point ds1 said to ds2, "at least we're not down a mine," and ds2 replied that it was fine for those children as that was the old days. That obviously made me more annoyed.

I followed through on my threat and ds2 ate some of his meal and spent the rest of the mealtime lying under the kitchen table where he planned to stay forever, being surreptitiously fed onion rings by ds1 (I pretended not to notice).

Finally, we talked about it and he apologised, came out, had a tiny slither of pizza and fruit for pudding with his brother. I dropped them off at ex's this morning and have just received a text saying 'Ds2 is starving after no proper meal last night, while ds2 had pizza. Can you clarify?'

FFS, I don't know what to reply. Why should I answer to him after the way he carries on? Was I wrong? Would I be wrong not to reply/ or reply something very terse? Ds1 would be more than capable of giving an honest account of what happened.

OP posts:
theduchessstill · 27/10/2017 10:51

*I always try to make consequences immediate and relevant, and this one was

Maybe immediate but not relevant. Relevant would be to throw away or confiscate any toys he didn't put away. His toys.

I explained in the very post you quoted from above that confiscating/throwing away toys would have had no impact whatsoever on his behaviour. I know my punishment was not relevant, but it was immediate so 1 out of 2 isn't bad.

I have read 'How to talk...' and have found it useful over the years, but it's not a panacea, and I think the added complication here was the way in which ds1 was doing exactly as asked as I had to consider his feelings in all of this as well. At the risk of adding to some posters' perception of my family as being utterly fucked up and dysfunctional, I will add that ds1 quite often accuses me of preferring ds2 and allowing him to get away with stuff. There is no truth in that at all, and I have spent a lot of time considering whether he might have a point. All I can come up with is he has slightly more to do at school/home due to being older - I honestly think I treat ds2 the same as ds1 was at that age. BUT, and I know this sounds like I'm blaming ex for stuff just because it suits me, I know ds2 is very stubborn and ds1 is a bit of an appeaser, and I think ex goes along with these traits for an easy life. For instance, both dc have told me they only play ds2's favourite Wii games there as ex doesn't enforce turn-taking. There are other examples too. I feel he gives in to ds2 a lot and ds1 takes this out on me. That's how it feels anyway .

Someone suggested ds2 might feel my love is conditional based on the event I described and that's a horrible thought. I was calm throughout and I really can't believe being told to do X or Y will happen equates to parents not loving you, really. A cuddle doesn't always work in the middle of a situation like the one that unfolded, ds2 would have pushed me away, ramped up the rudeness and how would it have looked to ds1? We did have lots of cuddles afterwards though, as we do pretty much every day.

OP posts:
SleepingStandingUp · 27/10/2017 11:02

Equally, I wouldn't want my eldest feeling like he had to make things better by surpitiously passing the onion rings
Is that sing bond though? My Dad used to make us eat everything on the plate. When he looked away my sister gave me the bits she didn't like and I ate them. Not to appease the parent but because it was or secret (until we were in our 30's). If one of us couldn't have something like a treat we'd have tried to save one for the other.

YorkieDorkie · 27/10/2017 11:08

Imagine if you'd given him pizza after swearing and not tidying up?

You absolutely did the right thing. Perhaps he'll learn that mum means business 💪🏻

kateandme · 27/10/2017 11:25

really wanting to make me a cosy hoops on toast right now

missed point but what ive have added would have been as helpful as above

bastardkitty · 27/10/2017 11:25

Your punishment was absolutely relevant. The pizza was to be a reward for tidying up - he didn't do it - he didn't get the reward. I'm not sure what could have been more relevant.

Runsforwine · 27/10/2017 11:44

YANBU your ex is a dick, you did the right thing!

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 27/10/2017 11:57

This is some thread, pesto and pedants unite!

OP - you worked with what you had and you did just fine.
XDP - twat of the highest order.
MNmassive - this thread has proven tinned spag hoops are an endangered species, hasn't it? Something must Be Done.

Goldenbear · 27/10/2017 12:12

OP, I didn't say that your family was fucked up and dysfunctional, I was referencing my own experience. It's not an easy ride for all the many reasons you've explained.

You've misinterpreted my take on the conditional love issue. I took from your opening post that you said it was a treat 'final' supper before they go to stay with your ex. I think there's an association with the residency situation that isn't relevant to supper in an eight year old's mind.

WhataHexIgotinto · 27/10/2017 12:12

OP you handled this just fine.

When DSD would come out with ever changing tales of woe and how awful his very lovely mum had been, DH wouldn't have dreamt of questioning her. He knew when the big stuff was going on and when it was just a petty 'mum's horrible because she didn't give me chocolate for breakfast' type issue. They may have divorced but he had no reason to question her parenting and I suspect your ex has no reason to question yours. He was being a knob.

JJ2014 · 27/10/2017 14:42

I think your ex husband has an issue and he should be supporting you not undermining you. I think that is more of the issue here now. He still needs to back you and you both show a united front. Or the kids are going to do this over and over again. He should have said to your child that, "oh, i am sure mum had her reasons, and how did you help her?' which would have resulted in your child having to come clean about his behaviour. Not just, 'Mum didn't give me any dinner/ any pizza last night'. You don't have to explain yourself to your ex, but i would be inclined to give him the heads up on the previous night in a joking kind of manner, so he knows what he is in for! I think you need to sit down with your ex and chat about how you are both going to work together on these new behavioural issues and consequence strategies, so you are both on the same page and understand. i am pretty sure if your child did that to your ex, he would have done the exact same. It's just so easy to blame and jump to the wrong conclusion. Good luck!

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 27/10/2017 15:05

Clearly, OP is right and ExH is a dick.
This thread is like a parody of MN though. And one thing hasn't been answered -

OP, why were they making a civilization in the sitting room rather than one of their playrooms? Toys in the sitting room would be a big no-no in our house, and we insist that toys stay either in the playroom, the conservatory, the games room, the den, the cellars, or one of the attics. Am not clear why this situation occurred in the first place?

treacletoffee23 · 27/10/2017 15:19

Seek in my house the children got one toy each which they played with in the shed until they had outgrown it. What is this pizza you speak of? We just eat our own homegrown organic Turnips....

Wallywobbles · 27/10/2017 20:54

Reply. You’ve been played.

JJ2014 · 27/10/2017 23:26

Your ex is baiting you and being an idiot. Best to ignore him as you can’t win with stupid! You can’t stop him being clearly difficult, but you can change how it effects you Smile

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