Long sorry not sorry
There's been numerous petitions and protests - they don't care. They're told to abstain on voting (whole party) And they do - even speaker roundly criticised them for that. They're not doing they're job as MPs but still taking salaries they don't need.
"And when you try to tell people what they're up to you get accused of scaremongering or treating people like they're stupid." Yes those of us that have been saying how bad it is here on mn have been dismissed as 'mistaken' 'they couldn't do that' well they bloody did! 'It won't affect me' not only selfish but in many cases untrue, as this was often said by people in receipt of wtc or childcare tax credits.
"I don't believe for one second she would want any family to be left without money." Oh please! She doesn't give a shit!! There's already almost 2 million families relying on food banks!
I've also been told I was 'paranoid' when telling people of the Internet controls they're bringing in.
Actual govt petitions are better I think, not that they really listen. But they may be concerned about votes.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200213
"I dislike the current UC system, but the Tory government are not a dictatorship. They can be voted out, but there needs to be s viable alternative to vote for." 2 words - election fraud.
"I also think the underlying reason for all this misery is to ensure that large parts of the population die off early, saving the state even more money." Already starting to happen, malnutrition, starvation and suicide as a direct result of being transferred to UC.
Yellow you and I have crossed swords before - I see you have no more compassion now than then!! Gilead don't waste your time engaging.
"Are they basically trying to "encourage" people into permanent jobs?
Because if that's the case they should be running an economy which provides them " I agree and have said so on several posts, it's all well n good saying 'get a job' there AREN'T enough jobs. Also it affects those already in work but they're deemed 'not working hard enough' if they're not earning equivalent to 35 hrs X min wage. So be interesting to see the reactions of those who currently work part time without being hassled who are now going to be TOLD to look for more hours/better pay within 90 min commute each way of their home. Oh and the childcare element doesn't cover commute time.
"I agree with parts of it in theory- getting paid monthly would certainly help me budget better for those monthly direct debits." Problem is it's not the same every month even if your wage is.
Yes huge backwards step re financial abuse potential in only one part of a couple receiving.
"I'd love to live in a world where the ministers who make these rules have to live the conditions they set for a year to "test" them. No access to their savings or well stocked freezers." YES I think everyone who wants to be an MP should do this. Live on the lowest income available to constituents.
"It's a pretty steady pattern." It's really not, even people who are paid the exact same monthly are getting different UC every month, impossible to budget when you don't know what even the MINIMUM you'll be getting is. This is what I am dreading. I am currently on ESA largely due to mh issues but I also struggle physically and what is often forgotten is that mental illness can be JUST as exhausting as a physical illness.
"Am wondering whether there will be children who end up in care as their mothers can'r afford to feed them or are made homeless?" Already happening. Plus children going into kinship care as parents can't afford to house/feed all their children so they're being decamped to other family members.
CB is separate FOR NOW I really don't put it past them to change that.
"@Graphista how will it affect them?" (Employers)
As mentioned - time off to sort the mess out, childcare and other caring arrangements messed up, losing good reliable loyal employees who have been forced to go elsewhere in order to work more hours than they can offer...
I agree private landlords are going to be up in arms too, you can't get blood out of a stone and (luckily for tenants) eviction takes months (but unluckily for tenants if evicted for rent arrears not entitled to homelessness help which is disgusting!). I don't subscribe to the view all private landlords are evil, just as not all tenants are angels. Landlords may be relying on that money too, to pay the mortgage, insurance etc on said property. Is it just me or do we think if most people due to be on UC were in council houses the govt wouldn't allow it to be HALF as fucked up?!
"The LL's will just not accept tenants who are in receipt of UC so the council's homeless bill will rise." Many LL already don't take anyone on HB it's a nightmare just finding a home in the first place! What will be the difference (I hope) is that there are a large number of especially corporate private LL who are Tory voters even donators who once it starts affecting them negatively will not be happy!
"Yellow then why not focus on fair rent and decent wages?
It's not that simple though is it, the government can't control those things hugely." Of course they bloody can!!! Rent capping and raising nmw to an ACTUAL living wage for starters! They could also close tax loopholes, and provide a WORKING economy with investment in manufacture etc SMH so much I'm dizzy!
Do you have kids yellow? Could you live on £1137.50 per month (less tax and NI)? I couldn't and I live in a cheap area and it's just me n dd! Especially paying full rate council tax and I don't have transport to work or childcare costs!
If everyone who currently works in low paid jobs/part time to move into higher paid full time work, the system would collapse, there'd be no TA's, care assistants, retail assistants, admin assistants, receptionists (inc in health care), bin men, street sweepers, cleaners, dispensing assistants, call handlers, bus drivers
babsgangoolies. common sense?! It's the tories and those supporting them that lack common sense!!
The nmw IS NOT ENOUGH TO LIVE ON changing its name to living wage DOESN'T change that fact.
There are NOT enough jobs anyway - even according to govts own - very reluctantly disclosed - figures. And even then the jobs THEY are saying are available are NOT all full time. They are NOT investing in this countries manufacture and natural resources.
There is NOT enough childcare - they have done NOTHING to address this.
There is NOT enough social care many people work part time in order to care for elderly/sick/disabled relatives.
There are NOT enough affordable houses - again - until very recently they had done BUGGER ALL for this!
Someone seriously needs to teach them AND certain posters Maslow's hierarchy of need!
As for "junkies druggies and alcoholics" addiction is a recognised illness plus most addicts are self medicating mh issues!
Re part time work - many people are working part time because going full time would make them MUCH worse off, mainly due to childcare fees. But in addition there are benefits to employers to only employ part timers - there are tax incentives, they don't have to pay sick pay, maternity pay, provide as much annual leave... If govt REALLY wanted people working full time they would make employing part timers harder and incentivise employing people full time - THAT isn't happening. The same applies to temp contracts, several employers where I live employ the SAME employees repeatedly on temp contracts, let them go for (I think it's) 3 months to get around employment laws then rehire them.
"How is it okay that MPs are still getting large pay rises?" AND free houses, expenses where a £39 breakfast is seen as acceptable when there are families for whom that's their entire weekly grocery budget!
"Nobody knows from one week to the next what days/hours they will be working" yes another issue that negatively affects employees. My problem with this when dd was younger was it made it impossible to organise childcare.
"You are basically expected to be "on call" without being paid for being on call like someone in a job higher up the socio economic scale. " yet if you're labelled a job seeker and aren't available to work you're penalised. If employers expect employees to be unavailable to work for another employer in case they need them they should pay the employee for the earnings they're missing out on.
27 supposed full time jobs here but...
4 are mlm, 12 are temp and 5 are under 35 hours
So ACTUALLY 6!