Universal Credit won't be paid in months with 5 weeks. (WTF?) AIBU to think no one realises

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If you get paid weekly, and there are 5 weeks in a month, in those months your pay will likely go over the Universal Credit limit and your UC will be stopped. You will have to go without that month and apply again.

WTF are they thinking?

Have they never heard of averages FFS? (That's how Tax Credits works). This is going to screw over so many people. It's ludricous.

The people claiming UC aren't any richer that month, they get the same amount of money as if it was paid in 12 monthly chunks.

This will happen to thousands of people every time there's a month with 5 weeks. (I guess they mean 5 Mondays?)

This is farcical.

There's 5 weeks in January, so if you get paid weekly that's you fucked for February.

April, July, October and December also have 5 Mondays.

This is utterly farcical and just plain callous.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-peer-and-next-boss-simon-wolfson-slams-insane-universal-credit_uk_59e9aca9e4b0df10767c1802

Yellow
A tax rebate is income, it was taken as tax in error and returned. Had it not been taken it would have been income so it doesn't change that fact when given back

It was assessed as a tax on earned income the first time regardless. It should not be open to a second round of taxation. It was assessed as part of a certain intake of income so that pot has already been taxed. What you are suggesting is nonsense - which is double taxing income from a certain pot when it is returned to its rightful owner.

And if by some miracle of pretzel logic it is indeed income, then it should be accompanied by interest when returned, because it's not just to have money on the government's balance books that could be earning interest for its rightful owner.

I believe there are, Kali.

Thus far, this debacle has cost £15.8 billion

This thread scares me. So many people seem to truly despise the working classes.

God it's terrifying.

So many people seem to truly despise the working classes

It's a poison.

People should read George Orwell’s Road to Wigan.

I’m not on UC. But I’ll be writing to my (Tory) MP to complain a) about the shambles b) the callousness and c) the contempt with which the Tories have had for our political system over this eg with abstaining from the UC vote.

Disgusting.

£15.8 billion of our money wasted. Which they have taken from us so that they can institute a draconian system which will throw some people onto the streets. So we are fucking paying for the privilege of being marched to the gallows.

They should be ashamed.

Why isn't there more noise about this from the Lords?

Please do not look down on people in receipt of benefits- most of the posters on this thread have stated they're in receipt of some form of assistance, and you yourself are also in receipt of that assistance.
Do you lot not read? I DO not look down on anyone in receipt of benefits,, i have stated my opinion on those who defraud the system and there is many who defraud the system i have seen them with my own fucking eyes!!

You're talking nonsense. I haven't been on holiday for years and years. I'd love to but I couldn't when I was working and I can't now. I don't know if I'm going to be able to afford heating this winter and I always have an overdraft at the end of each month. That's the reality of benefits, not your bloody nonsense. The standard of living is certainly not High Society nor anything like it.
At any point did i say that about yOu No i didnt, i wasnt even taking about anyone on this bloody page in the first place i was merely stating a bloody point!! Stop thinking that anyones negative opinion about prople who DEFRAUD the system is about you. I have stated myself if you even bothered to read it, that myself and my family will not know how to survive if this whole change comes into place, i know what its like to go without as myself and my husband have had to, so that our kids didnt, i worry anout how i am
Going to put my heating on this winter aswell just like the rest of you, yous all have just jumped the gun and assumed i was talking about every single person on benefits which is so far from
Truth it’s unbelievable

What you don't seem to comprehend Mrsstrat is that there are very few people who defraud the system. The figures are given on an earlier page on this thread or the ONS site. As somebody pointed out early, we don't remove all medals for one cheat, all exam results for one cheat or close down a branch of M&S because somebody stole. So, why the hell are we punishing everyone for a few miscreants? Well, because it's convenient, and feeds into the minds of people like you who will then vote Tory. This is how the Tories gained the working class vote they've been after for years, by lying to them. By telling them that benefit claimants were lying in bed half the day and not getting off their arses looking for work, by encouraging the press to exaggerate fraud. By calling us scroungers rather than claimants, by moaning that we had an entitled attitude to claiming what we are actually entitled to. Then they set about getting us off said benefits, no matter that people were dying, losing their homes, their support networks, etc. Every time someone is sanctioned that is a reduction in the unemployment figures, the government are conning you.

earlier

Fraud figures may be low but that's only where caught.

They aren't trying to tackle fraud though, they are trying to get people to do more to support themselves. If people were truly doing everything they could the reforms wouldn't have been needed as claims would have been very short term and a stop gap.

They are going after those that work part time as it suits them, likewise those that have a SAHP who refused to work as they either don't want to pay childcare costs or won't work around the other person as they want to be home with them etc.

For many, it's a situation of their own making. The system has been played for years and now people don't like the fact that they can't get away with doing little for maximum gain.

But "junkies, druggies and alcoholics" have an illness and certainly aren't living the high life. If they didn't have benefits to fall back on they might resort to more dangerous ways of making money

I think universal credit is flawed in many ways and it has clearly been devised by people who have never fallen on hard times and needed a bit of help.

Addicts do not get extra money each week to their habit.

They may get PIP or ESA depending on how their addiction affects them and they have to jump through the same hoops as everyone else to get it.

Some people do only work part time because they get the same money in top ups as working full time, I always think that's silly as when your children turn 18 you haven't built a career or anything.

Thank you to the OP and thanks to everyone who’s posts links and info regarding UC

I spent a long time reading the thread last night and am reassured that as long as I don’t change anything then I’ll be okay for another year 👍🏻

lets not fight each other over the crumbs. The 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor.

Let's look to the problem, the government.
Not addicts or alcoholics who are deeply sick and troubled.

Thank you Mrsstrat.
May I just however point out that perhaps there are valid reasons why people are the druggies and alcoholics? The only alcoholic I know does it to keep her nightmares at bay. She's 59 now and the nightmares got worse a few years ago when they dug up her past. She was a Saville victim. There are many reasons why people do the things they do, and people with severe mental illness frequently self medicate. They too are victims. Nobody becomes an addict through choice.

People are starting to speak about this fiasco as this govts “poll tax”. I’ve heard that mentioned a lot. I hope it’s true. I hope they are never forgiven for it. And they lose the next election because.

And I have been fortunate enough to never claim any benefits but I don’t begrudge a penny of my taxes which goes towards people who do claim.

Am I the only person who thought it was ironic that upthread a poster was being berated for having her partner be a sahd, because there are a hundred other hours in the week that he could be working. And then being berated all over again for wanting work at a time that suits. Or to put it another way 'poster, I have decided that you and your family are lazy. And no matter what efforts you make to structure your home life, nothing will change my mind'.

Some people do only work part time because they get the same money in top ups as working full time, I always think that's silly as when your children turn 18 you haven't built a career or anything.

Eh?

I'm a professional (veterinary medicine), as are all my colleagues, most of us work p/t because you know some of us had a career prior to starting a family. Not everyone who works p/t works in unskilled jobs.

Let's look to the problem, the government

The problem is society.

The problem is society.
How?
There aren't enough jobs available, people with disabilities are being harassed, we've already clearly demonstrated that fraud is extraordinarily low.