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FMOTUS: F***ing Moron of the United States (Trump) thread continued

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TheClaws · 16/10/2017 03:03

As aptly dubbed by his own Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.

Old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3047195-Hello-Don-got-a-new-tax-cut-Trump-continued

And as I love giving you images to haunt your dreams, here’s another one, blasphemously titled ‘Our Lord and Saviour’.

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PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 21:35

Brooke Singman
@brookefoxnews
Pressure mounts on Mueller to resign over FBI ties to #TrumpDossier scandal, #UraniumOne, #Rosatom bribery case

www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/27/mueller-facing-new-republican-pressure-to-resign-in-russia-probe.amp.html

Justin Miller
@justinjm1
THERE IT IS. The fake scandal is meant to impugn Mueller when he was head of FBI

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 21:42

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
So when Trump camp was trying to distance itself from Cambridge Analytica this wk, they lied abt their data models

amp.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/26/cambridge-analytica-used-data-from-facebook-and-politico-to-help-trump

Trump campaign said this wk that they built their own models. Cambridge Analytica said in May that the Trump camp used their (CA's) models.

The news prompted a top former campaign official, Michael Glassner, who was executive director of the Trump election campaign, to minimise the role Cambridge Analytica played in electing Trump, despite the fact that it paid Cambridge Analytica millions of dollars in fees.

In a statement on Wednesday, Glassner said that the Trump campaign relied on voter data owned by the Republican National Committee to help elect the president.

“Any claims that voter data from any other source played a key role in the victory are false,” he said.

But that claim is contradicted by a detailed description of the company’s role in the 2016 election given in May by a senior Cambridge Analytica executive.

Specifically, Cambridge Analytica said their models were "instrumental in day-to-day campaign decisions," including Trump's travel schedule.

Speaking at a conference in Germany, Molly Schweickert, the head of digital at Cambridge Analytica, said that Cambridge Analytica models, which melded the company’s own massive database and new voter surveys, were instrumental in day-to-day campaign decisions, including in helping determine Trump’s travel schedule.

The company’s models also helped drive decisions on advertising and how to reach out to financial donors.

Tweet below links to the article from this week, when Trump camp tried to distance itself from Cambridge Analytica.

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
Trump campaign paid Cambridge Analytica $5 million in Sept 2016 alone...but now they're claiming they "mislabeled" the amount in FEC reports

[rest of very good thread here: mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/923931882663940096 ]

Roussette · 27/10/2017 23:20

Just watched this. Nauseating. "You haven't got a weight problem" to a little child... halloween. Then moaned about the press to them

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-41783853/trump-teases-halloween-trick-or-treaters

Then I watched Obama. Such empathy and naturalness. He was just brilliant with kids.

TheClaws · 28/10/2017 00:40

Conservative publication Free Beacon testified at the Intel Commitee that they originally funded the dossier, before it was passed to the DNC.
It was around this time that Steele became involved - so lending his name to the dossier. Sorry trumpsters.

thehill.com/homenews/news/357599-conservative-publication-originally-funded-trump-dossier-report?mode=comments#disqus_thread

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PerkingFaintly · 28/10/2017 00:48

thehill.com/homenews/news/357599-conservative-publication-originally-funded-trump-dossier-report

Better link ^. The first dives straight into the frothing pit that is the comments section. I only just got out alive...

lionheart · 28/10/2017 00:55

Bloody hell, those neo-Nazis.

PerkingFaintly · 28/10/2017 01:03

That story may have been updated since you saw it, as Free Beacon has now made a statement that, although it originally funded the opposition research project,

"The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele."

I'm not sure why that's important. It's not news that the whole thing was an opposition research project first by the Republicans, then by the Democrats, that turned up information so worrying that one of the contracted researchers (Steele) took the material to the security services in the US (and I think it was said the UK security services too).

lionheart · 28/10/2017 01:07

*funding even.

Here's something on statistical omissions in relation to crime.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-first-fbi-crime-report-issued-under-trump-is-missing-a-ton-of-info/?ex_cid=story-twitter

cozietoesie · 28/10/2017 01:07

Interesting CNNMoney perspective on the proposed tax cuts.

Is now the time?

lionheart · 28/10/2017 01:19

Good question.

Onwards they march, apparently.

www.thedailybeast.com/white-supremacists-come-to-terrorize-refugees-in-tennessee?via=twitter_page

TheClaws · 28/10/2017 01:57

North Korea’s KCNA on the ‘nexus’ between the US, Japan and South Korea. This isn’t a link as I know some of you wouldn’t like to click through to their site. I’m foolhardy though Grin

^KCNA Commentary on Dangerous Military Nexus among U.S., Japan and S. Korea

Pyongyang, October 27 (KCNA) -- The U.S., Japan and south Korean puppet forces get evermore undisguised in their military nexus.

Soon after the 9th defence ministerial talk on Oct. 23 where they had a confab on "continued missile warning drill and anti-submarine drill to cope with nuclear and missile threat from the north" they staged missile warning drill in waters off the Korean peninsula.

The military developments at a time when lunatic Trump's outburst is being led to a reckless military move beyond the limit are a dangerous military conspiracy to further strain the tense situation on the peninsula and an open provocation to the DPRK.

This is a signal flare showing the present south Korean chief executive's active participation in the U.S.-led missile defence system, an indication of the actual operation of the U.S.-Japan-south Korea military entity.

What is a highlight in the military nexus among the U.S., Japan and south Korea is the puppet forces' participation in the U.S. missile defence system.

The present south Korean authorities are taking an active part in the south Korea-U.S. combined ballistic missile launching drill, additional deployment of four THAAD launch pads and promotion of the negotiations with the U.S. for the revision of "missile guidelines".

It is an act of treachery of those seized by the idea of relying on outsiders and stifling the fellow countrymen to unhesitatingly opt for military nexus with Japan, to say nothing of the U.S.

Japan is a war criminal state which inflicted untold disaster and sufferings on the Korean nation in the past.

But it has not yet made any admittance, apology and reparation for the intolerable crimes but has openly revealed its ambition for reinvasion at the tacit connivance of the U.S.

The puppet forces of traitors get aligned with the sworn enemies of the Korean nation while serving their masters U.S. and Japan as a shock brigade in utter disregard of the interests and security of the nation only if they can realize the ambition of stifling their fellow countrymen in the north. Because of them, the Korean peninsula is turning into a theatre of nuclear war of aggressors and south Korea into a plaything of outsiders.

The reckless military action of the enemies clearly proves that the DPRK's measure for bolstering the nuclear deterrence for self-defence was quite just and the aggressors and provokers must be treated only with fire.

The U.S. which eggs its junior allies on to come out as cannon fodder as it feels exhausted in the confrontation with the DPRK, the Japs whetting the sword of reinvasion, being seized by the militarist ambition and the south Korean puppet forces reducing their land into the crucible of a nuclear war must clearly understand that retaliation of justice will ensue the reckless military action. -0-

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TheClaws · 28/10/2017 02:16

I’m very honoured to be posting this on one of my threads! Sit down if you’re not already...

CNN Politics‏Verified account @CNNPolitics 41m41 minutes ago
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Exclusive: First charges filed in Mueller investigation cnn.it/2zM5Pr1

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TheClaws · 28/10/2017 02:20

An excerpt from the above article:

Washington (CNN)A federal grand jury in Washington, DC, on Friday approved the first charges in the investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to sources briefed on the matter.

The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are.

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Lweji · 28/10/2017 02:31

Ohhhhhhh.
Charges....

TheClaws · 28/10/2017 02:44

Meanwhile on Fox.

Fox News‏Verified account @FoxNews 4m4 minutes ago
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.@LarryElder: "You have to have an I.Q. 2 points under plant life now to still believe that there's some Trump collusion going on."

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PainInTheEerie · 28/10/2017 06:43

Not to rain on your parade claws but I think lion posted the news about the charges upthread. It’s brilliant news though so worth posting twice Wink

I had wondered what was coming that had caused all the uranium/dossier stuff to be so furiously pushed by the republicans (the fact that on this thread we’ve been debunking something that was known since June last year!) and the “ready to be brought into custody as soon as Monday” seems like that’s probably it!

I’d sort of forgotten that mueller’s investigation would actually be more than a mysterious, invisible process that was never concluded so it is amazing that things are starting to move. I wasn’t looking forward to the end of half term and starting back at work on Monday but suddenly I’m counting down for the weekend to pass Grin

PainInTheEerie · 28/10/2017 06:48

Sorry, we’ve known about it since October last year not June. David corn’s take on how reporting of the dossier has been shit

The Trump-Russia Scandal Is a Huge Media Fail

If we don’t come to terms with this assault on American democracy, Trump and Co. win.

www.motherjones.com/media/2017/10/the-trump-russia-scandal-is-a-huge-media-fail/

TheNorthWestPawsage · 28/10/2017 06:56

I just saw the Meuller news - Oh Happy Day!
I hope that the charges are nice and bigly. Two slices of pie (or cake) for everyone! CakeCake

PainInTheEerie · 28/10/2017 06:58

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
THREAD: What does news that Mueller filed criminal charges mean?
1/ @CNN just reported that a grand jury approved the first indictment in the Mueller investigation.
[i can’t find a 2/ so either he mislabelled or I’ve missed it]
3/ An indictment is a document that sets forth criminal charges. Only a grand jury can vote to issue an indictment.
4/ A grand jury is a group of jurors who meet regularly and consider evidence presented by prosecutors.
5/ To approve an indictment, grand jurors must find there is enough evidence to show there’s good reason to believe the crime was committed.
6/ But federal prosecutors don’t present indictments unless they believe they can prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt at trial.
7/ Generally prosecutors wait until the end of the investigation to present indictments, so they have all of the evidence beforehand.
8/ Sometimes prosecutors will indict someone earlier if they hit a “wall” and want to get someone to flip.
9/ Given Mueller’s ongoing interviews of White House staff, it doesn’t appear that his investigation is wrapping up soon.
10/ So this suggests to me that he most likely is indicting someone early to get him/her to flip. The obvious candidate is Paul Manafort.
11/ It’s also possible, I suppose, that Mueller is responding to pressure to show that his investigation is bearing fruit.
12/ It would be highly unusual for a prosecutor to respond to political pressure but Mueller could be afraid he will be curtailed.
13/ A more remote possibility is that Mueller is wrapping up his investigation. I just don’t see that as realistic based on what we know.
14/ Interviews with White House staff would typically generate more interviews and document requests, not a quick end to the case.
15/ A bigger mystery is how @CNN got this scoop. They may have told the defense already but unsure what the gain would be from leaking it.
16/ This matters because it can be unlawful for certain people to disclosure what a grand jury did.
17/ For now, the @CNN report is too vague to be able to say more than I indicated above. We need to wait for more info. /end

cricketballs3 · 28/10/2017 07:06

Can someone clear something up for me please! As I understand it (mainly from watching the Good Wife Grin) these charges are from a grand jury who have considered all the prosecuting evidence but no defence evidence. So it's not Meuller's direct decision but the Grand Jury who have decided to press charges.