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FMOTUS: F***ing Moron of the United States (Trump) thread continued

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TheClaws · 16/10/2017 03:03

As aptly dubbed by his own Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.

Old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3047195-Hello-Don-got-a-new-tax-cut-Trump-continued

And as I love giving you images to haunt your dreams, here’s another one, blasphemously titled ‘Our Lord and Saviour’.

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cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 15:47

A Pinter sketch. (From Antonia Fraser.)

The President nukes the world

AcrossthePond55 · 27/10/2017 16:39

Oh God. That Pinter bit sounds so, so plausible. You can actually hear Scrotus saying those words.

The only saving grace is that I doubt very much that any 'Commander' would carry out an order to nuke London. Or Paris. Even on pain of Court Martial.

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 16:40

You so sure? Grin

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 16:45

Sorry.

ringle · 27/10/2017 16:52

"I think the term 'Old American Family' also implies 'service to the Country' and that being here 'that long' implies that you 'love' the US more than a newcomer, simply by virtue of your ancestors 'sticking around'. Both premises of which are untrue in most cases."

Yes, that's what I picked up on in the McCain testimonial. I found it rather startling.

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 16:54

It’s ‘official’speak. Like praising someone’s ‘beautiful wife’.

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 17:16

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Carter Page testimony next Thurs before House Intel will be closed to press, but transcript could be released since it will be unclassified

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 18:16

A NYT piece.

Talking points brought to Trump Tower were shared with Kremlin

Natsku · 27/10/2017 19:23

Ah Pinter, one of my favourite playwrights.

Lweji · 27/10/2017 20:01

You know how Secret Service is supposed to protect the President?
Do you think that they might have slightly changed orders to protect the US from the President? Would they take him down if he ordered a nuclear attack on a whim?

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 20:11

It’s a lose-lose situation either way lweji. It would be nice (!) to avoid nuclear way but if there’s a secret plan to subvert the president’s orders, that’s not democratic etc

This seems significant (in ways I don’t understand)

Eric Garland
@ericgarland
WHOA 🔥 U.S. Attorney of the Eastern District of Virginia tenders resignation; will remain until successor confirmed

t.co/ZxeOF6Pu3j?amp=1

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 20:11

No.

PerkingFaintly · 27/10/2017 20:17
Shock

I think that is significant - the Eastern District of Virginia is where some of the investigations into Russia collusion are going on. IIRC, that Attorney (Dana Boente) was involved with the raid on Manafort's house.

That's off the top of my head. I'm sure there'll be more details out soon.

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 20:21

More on cozie’s article

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
THREAD: Does it matter that the Russian lawyer at the Trump Tower meeting shared her talking points with the Kremlin? Will Mueller care?

1/ Today @nytimes reported the Russian lawyer at the Trump Tower meeting shared her talking points with the Kremlin: t.co/Z91nAQDgTs?amp=1
2/ This is consistent with the original email string setting up the meeting, which was released by Trump Jr.: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html
3/ In those emails, Rob Goldstone talks about the "Crown prosecutor of Russia" offering information about Clinton to the Trump campaign.
4/ It was said to be "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump." The lawyer is said to be a "Russian government attorney."
5/ Trump Jr., Manafort, and Kushner were all present at that meeting. I dissected Trump Jr.'s statement here: www.justsecurity.org/44810/federal-prosecutor-dissects-donald-trump-jr-statement-senate-judiciary-committee/
6/ I dissected Kushner's statement here:
t.co/setVUuni9x?amp=1
7/ Both men described the meeting as focused on "adoptions," a code word for the Magnitsky Act, a law passed to punish certain Russians.
8/ Trump Jr. and Kushner both suggested the Russian lawyer was not connected with the Russian government but avoided saying so directly.
9/ In the article, @nytimes notes that one person present at the Trump Tower meeting has already testified before Mueller's grand jury
0/ The Russian lawyer herself has publicly suggested that she was acting independently of the Kremlin.
11/ But @nytimes reports that she discussed her talking points with the Russian prosecutor general, one of the top officials in the Kremlin.
12/ So how does this matter? The most important way this matters is if someone lied to the grand jury, to the FBI, or the Congress
13/ For example, let's say the person present at the Trump Tower meeting had reason to know about the prosecutor general's involvement
14/ If Mueller could prove that person knew about the prosecutor general's involvement and lied to the grand jury, that is a federal crime.
15/ It's also a federal crime if Kushner or Trump Jr. lied to Congress. But my dissection of their statements suggest they avoided doing so.
16/ They would also be able to argue that they knew no idea what the Russian lawyer was doing behind closed doors.
17/ I believe this information is more important from a political and counterintelligence perspective than it is from a legal perspective.
18/ It suggests that the meeting with Kushner and Trump Jr. was part of an effort that was orchestrated by the Russian government.
19/ That could make it harder for Trump and his allies to suggest that there was no evidence of cooperation between Russia and his campaign.
20/ But proving that Russia and his campaign worked together requires more than what we know right now. Mueller knows more than we do.
21/ So we will have to see what his investigation uncovers. /end

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 20:26

It’s definitelt significant but I don’t know if it’s bad news (can’t see the job through, being pressured into leaving and being coerced into dropping investigations) or good news (no longer running active juries and might be ready to conclude and make next moves taking cases forward)

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 20:29

...although the good news but seems a little “menschy” so I’m back to having no idea. I suspect on balance it’s likely to be bad news (given how everything else has gone)

PerkingFaintly · 27/10/2017 20:39

Meanwhile, today in the UK:

National Action: Alleged neo-Nazi 'bought machete to murder Labour MP Rosie Cooper': Man appears in court alongside five other alleged members of far-right terrorist group
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/national-action-neo-nazi-rosie-cooper-murder-plot-labour-mp-bought-machete-far-right-a8023056.html

More on the group here:

National Action charges: Man accused of MP murder threat
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41768017
"Members and supporters applauded the murder of Jo Cox MP by a white supremacist - and the group had carried out a series of small, but confrontational, demonstrations in towns and cities throughout England."

I note they picked a female MP for their intended target, like Jo Cox.

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 20:39

Boente has seemed to want to keep his head down and his nose clean over the last little while. I guess it will depend on his replacement. (Ie - I don’t know.)

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 20:59

I heard that today and was terrified perking. It is just unfathomable

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
Former US attorney Barbara McQuade: Mike Pompeo could stop Robert Mueller in his tracks

foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/27/mike-pompeo-could-stop-robert-mueller-in-his-tracks/amp/

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
THREAD; Can the CIA Director derail the Mueller investigation? Will he?

mobile.twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/923960633674162176

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 21:05

Mr M was Director of the FBI and a Beltway insider for - what - 12 years? I suspect he knows the score pretty well. Smile

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 21:06

It’s friday night. Here we go...

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
WSJ: Rebekah Mercer in Aug. '16 asked Cambridge Analytica CEO if the firm could organize WikiLeaks-released emails.

Trump Donor Asked Data Firm If It Could Better Organize Hacked Emails

August 2016 exchange between Rebekah Mercer and Cambridge Analytica’s CEO shows efforts to leverage Clinton-related messages

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-donor-asked-data-firm-if-it-could-better-organize-hacked-emails-1509133587

Trump donor Rebekah Mercer in August 2016 asked the chief executive of a data-analytics firm working for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign whether the company could better organize the Hillary Clinton -related emails being released by WikiLeaks, according to a person familiar with their email exchange.

The previously undisclosed details from the exchange between Ms. Mercer and Cambridge Analytica CEO Alexander Nix show how an influential Trump supporter was looking to leverage the hacked Clinton-related messages to boost Mr. Trump’s campaign.

Earlier this week, The Wall Street Journal reported that Mr. Nix emailed Ms. Mercer and some company employees that he had reached out to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to offer help organizing the Clinton-related emails the website was releasing. The new details shed light on the timing of Mr. Nix’s outreach to Mr. Assange, which came before his company began working for the Trump campaign.

On Aug. 26, 2016, roughly a month after Mr. Trump formally became the Republican nominee, Ms. Mercer passed along to Mr. Nix an email she had received from a person she met at an event supporting Sen. Ted Cruz (R., Texas), whose presidential campaign she had initially supported during the GOP primaries, the person familiar with the exchange said. The email’s author suggested to Ms. Mercer that the Trump campaign or an allied super PAC ought to better index the WikiLeaks emails to make them more searchable, the person said.

Ms. Mercer forwarded the email to Mr. Nix, whose firm had started working for the Trump campaign in July 2016 after previously working for the Cruz campaign, according to the person. In the email, Ms. Mercer asked Mr. Nix whether the suggested organization of the emails was something Cambridge Analytica or the Government Accountability Institute—a conservative nonprofit that focuses on investigative research—could do, the person said. Ms. Mercer has sat on the board of the institute, which has received funding from her family.

Mr. Nix responded that he had reached out to Mr. Assange two months earlier—in June 2016, before Cambridge Analytica had started working for the Trump campaign—to ask him to share Clinton-related emails so the company could aid in disseminating them, the person familiar with the email exchange said. He said Mr. Assange had turned him down. That outreach and subsequent rejection was confirmed by Mr. Assange earlier this week on Twitter.

Cambridge Analytica is partly owned by Ms. Mercer and her father, hedge-fund billionaire Robert Mercer. Mr. Mercer made his first donation to Mr. Trump on June 21.

In an email that copied Peter Schweizer, who co-founded the Government Accountability Institute with Trump adviser Steve Bannon in 2012, Mr. Nix added that he believed Mr. Schweizer was working on creating an index of the Clinton-related emails, the person said. But Mr. Nix said he would order a team to “assess the feasibility of expanding this work.”

Mr. Schweizer replied to the email, copying Mr. Nix, Ms. Mercer and other Cambridge Analytica employees, saying that he was working on putting the emails in a searchable database, the person familiar with the email exchange said. Government Accountability Institute created an internal database of the emails but didn’t release it publicly, according to a person familiar with the effort.

cozietoesie · 27/10/2017 21:10

The GAI said what?

PerkingFaintly · 27/10/2017 21:19

So the Government Accountability Institute is another Mercer tool and vehicle for Bannon. Noted.

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 21:27

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Reminder: Trump camp downplays ties to Cambridge Analytica—but FEC data shows Team Trump paid the group $5,900,000. thebea.st/2gDN0yK

PainInTheEerie · 27/10/2017 21:31

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Lindsey Graham just one-upped Senate, House Intel; announces hearing Oct. 31 with Facebook, Twitter and Google -- a day before their hrngs