To think that it's not transphobic

[TannedHand]

...to suggest that a man wearing a tiny miniskirt - which rides up over his hips with every step he takes - with no underwear on a busy high street is behaving inappropriately? And that as he was making no attempt to adjust his skirt, it was evident he was unbothered by the effect he might be having on everyone who passed him (mainly women and children at that time of day, dropping off at the local primary school)?

Apparently I'm transphobic and not respecting his right to wear what he wants. Apparently I should show understanding that he hasn't quite got his feminine look down pat. Apparently I'm misgendering him.

All accusations laid at my door elsewhere on the internet when I mentioned this (witnessed by me and hundreds of others on a local busy street yesterday morning, btw).

His right to wander around with his cock and balls hanging out trumps that of others to not see it. Women who have suffered assault, who might be especially upset. Children. Or, let's face it, anyone who doesn't want to see a stranger's twig and berries first thing on a Thursday morning.

At the risk of starting another Trans-themed bunfight, wtf is wrong with people?!

Was something said or done by you that made him accuse you of being transphobic and misgendering him?

He didn't, people elsewhere on the internet did.

I believe people did call the police. One lady was videoing him and I heard her say he's always doing it. That being the case, he may well already be known to the police. If he is trans, maybe he'll end up in a women's prison eventually

We have one locally who does this he’s not actually transgender I kno because he’s told me this but he has serious mental health issues of the type that require hospitalisation

Sex/gender is not relative. Exposing yourself in public is a crime

Exactly.

Do you live in SW London, OP? I think I know this person, and I wouldn't necessarily have thought of them as trans.

Where did this happen?

This is interesting. I remember a conversation on woman's hour where several young women were talking to an older woman who was talking about the abuse she got in the 70's for the way she dressed. For example she got scolded by mothers for being dressed inappropriately in front of the children and once got put in a carriage on the london underground by the guard for her own safely. The young women in the interview were saying, 'Oh that's so terrible that you were shamed like that etc.' Then the older woman started to say what she wore and it was outfits like crotchless panties with a see through skirt. Cue silence from the young women before they started up again with, 'Cool, oh it was so awful that you were slut shamed.'
But really, its not on is it? I wouldn't like to sit opposite that on the tube either. I kinda regard it as a sex offence to make other people see your genitals in public.

Oooh - is this is West Norwood? I think I might know the person involved.. Interesting person but not trans, I don't think...

TannedHand

Sorry, I didn't see that part. Serves me right for trying to do two things at once!

For the record, I've gone on rallies and protests for trans rights in the past. I get it, I do. But don't take the fucking piss, eh.

What do you get? Were you protesting for the right of men to have everyone else validate their belief that they are women on the basis of their internal view of themselves? If so then presumably this was a crime of indecent assault committed by a woman (although you'd need to check with the person concerned as that is the only way to know for sure). Or were you just pretending to believe that "transwomen are women" because you wanted to be nice and hoped that men would not take the piss?

According to the ideology you were protesting for, you are transphobic if you call this person a man or say that he should not be in the changing room with your daughter. Does that affect whether you will go on protests or rallies in the future?

Might be outing to say exactly where but in a suburb of a big northern city.

The chap in south London is Jessie, isn't it? I know all about Jessie! Not trans afaik, just an exhibitionist. He's a bit of a local face isn't he - I lived in London for years and still have friends who live in the area. He often pops up in conversation.

I don't think you'd be transphobic for pointing out the wrongness of this individuals actions...and I am very much in support of trans rights.

Although, just wearing a skirt doesn't make you trans - he quite possibly isn't. There are plenty males who will dress feminine but that's an expression of genderfluidity without actually being trans.

Either way, trans or not, he/she should not be going around with it all hanging out!

I doubt his even trans. There's a lot of men that get off on behaving in this way, its a fetish, they say their transgender so they can't get in trouble over it.

I'll get jumped on for saying that, however it's true.
A man/woman that is transgender will not be happy with the body they are born with so they would never advertise the body parts they hate to the world.

Er, but according to the men who dress up for fetish reasons they are transgender, and transvestite is an offensive term.

It's actually extremely offensive to compare this man with those who are transgender. Trans people do not want a lot of attention forced on themselves, they just want to live in the body they feel comfortable in. I'm sure they would all feel the same way we do about this man.

This man is included under transgender definitions, although I have no idea what he identifies as.

Of course he is a pervert, disgusting.

to suggest that a man wearing a tiny miniskirt - which rides up over his hips with every step he takes - with no underwear on a busy high street is behaving inappropriately

I'd have thought that any adult dressed in this way in public would be risking caution (if not arrest) for "indecent exposure".

Remember the naked rambler!

[crikey, that sounds like a slogan for a protest march]

FloraFox, don't be an idiot. Whether or not this individual is trans is none of our business - and irrelevant really cause dangling your bits out isn't right no matter how you identify. The OP is not being transphobic, because we don't know the identity of the individual. They could be trans, they could be genderfluid, they could be non-binary, or they could be a weird man getting kick out of flashing people in a miniskirt.

Your use of the term 'transwoman' is offensive. If you're going to turn this into an anti-trans rant, at least do your research first.

@FloraFox used to go on rallies. Haven't for a long time.

This is what I get: Identify however you want, wear what you like, couldn't give a shit. But it was when the likes of Davina Ayrton et al started making a mockery of it all, and of women, that I was done with it. I'll defend your right to dress as you want - but when your actions harm women any defence or respect ends. Fuck that shit, seriously.

I'll never go on a protest in defence of trans rights again as long as I live.

DearMrDilkington You are wrong. Only a small minority of transgender people think they are born in the wrong body. Only a small minority have genital surgery.

wrenika Identifying as gender fluid is the same as identifying as transgender. Transgender is an umbrella term.

Let's all bear in mind that we have no clue whatsoever how this person identifies. People simply jumped to assume he was trans on the strength of him wearing a skirt (and little else).

Sorry but I cant get further on from 'twig and berries'...love that

'Transphobic' is such a useless word now. Everything seems to be transphobic. Its transphobic to believe in biology, to think sex exists, to have a sexuality (be it same sex, opposite sex or in some cases, both) at all, to be a lesbian fullstop, to mention body parts ion any context...everything is transphobic. The word means nothing anymore. Don't worry about it.

Now it seems he's a poor woman who doesn't know how to dress herself

And a real woman would get no such sympathy. She'd better know how to dress herself...