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Should I tell this mum why we don't want a play date with her son?

132 replies

Comeymemo · 12/10/2017 15:44

My son is 6 and in year 2. There is a boy in his class, let's call him Z, who I hear is very difficult. Z has been sent out repeatedly, this year and last year (we were not in the school before then) for hitting other children. I have heard from other mums who volunteer at school that Z is very disruptive and violent. I have only seen Z once, at a social gathering a year ago, and he played really rough with other kids. His parents had to watch him like hawks and intervene repeatedly as he kept on hitting other kids with toys. I remember him being very aggressive. This was before I had heard anything about him from other mums. I only just realised he's the same boy as my friends have been telling me about.

My son played with Z for a few days when school started, but then told us he didn't want to play with him anymore. I can't remember exactly how he phrased it, but he clearly thought Z was naughty and had done bad things.

I just bumped into Z's mum who said she's very keen for Z to do a play date with my son.

I'm not at all keen on that. My son is not perfect, but he's not nasty. I don't want him to feel scared or to pick up bad traits from Z.

Should I make up excuses, be busy every weekend until the end of times, tell the mum the boys aren't really friends, or tell her the real reason, I.e that it's because of her son's behaviour? I'm pretty sure she knows he is very challenging, as the school is big on discipline. I don't want to hurt her, so probably best not to say anything - but that's not really helpful is it?

I've got to dash soon but will be back late tonight for replies. Please let's not turn this into a bunfight. It's a genuine question.

OP posts:
oldcrownie · 12/10/2017 16:46

Ofcourse you can decline the playdate, it is sad although understandable that others don't want to mix with him. However no need to judge or gossip. You have no idea what might be going on behind the scenes and from what you have said it sounds like his parents really are trying. Meeting at a neutral place would be good if you want to.
For what it's worth, I have had various challenging children from school over to play over the years and they have always behaved well. Some children don't cope well in school or at parties etc but are fine one to one. He's too young to be written off by the whole community

missadasmith · 12/10/2017 16:47

I have heard from other mums who volunteer at school that Z is very disruptive and violent.

totally unacceptable, agree with PP. I'd be tempted to let school know.

blanklook · 12/10/2017 16:48

Out of school on neutral ground like a park with his mum there as well would be my suggestion.

He may be a vile child, or he may have some reason for his lashing out, e.g. sensory overload in the classroom or other kids just too close invading his space or perhaps he feels any very slight touch as pain, which would make him retaliate and baffle onlookers as to them, he'd not been hurt, so wasn't retaliating, just being aggressive "because he wanted to"

I'd guess he has more going on than plain nastiness because of both his parents at that event having to supervise him. If he was just a horrid child, his parents wouldn't bother to rein him in and would say the usual 'boys will be boys' claptrap.

DottyBlue2 · 12/10/2017 16:50

Ask your son if he wants a play date and respect his answer.

krustykittens · 12/10/2017 16:52

I would ask your son if he wants the play date. If he's not bothered then it wouldn't matter if Z was an angel, there would be no play date. No need to say anything more. If he wants to play with him, you stay.

MyLittleDragon · 12/10/2017 16:55

The background isn't important (in this scenario).

You've asked your ds, he says no. That's that really. I'd probably say "We're pretty busy at the moment, maybe another time" to save the mum's feelings. If she pressed it again I'd say "I'm not sure your ds and my ds get on that great in school time". I would be very pleasant with the mum, it doesn't sound like she's letting her ds run riot if she can help it but at the same time, your priority is to your ds. He should feel you respect his wishes,

TeaAndToast85 · 12/10/2017 16:58

I agree, a trip to the park with both mums there. Similar arrangement next time. Z might mellow with age, as others have said. Maybe the influence of your DS could be a good thing?

problembottom · 12/10/2017 17:00

I'd feel a little bit sorry for the mum and boy and I'd encourage my child to give it a go. I know that isn't the popular view but just being honest.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/10/2017 17:04

I think I might try to find out why DS doesn't want to play with Z. Is it because Z has been mean to him personally, he's witnessed him being mean to others, or is it because all the other children have been 'warned off him' by their mums and he's now the school-yard pariah?

If DS adamantly doesn't want to play with Z, then that's an end to it. Tell the mum that the boys aren't close friends and a play date isn't warranted. But chances are if her son's 'reputation' has proceeded him she probably trying to drum up friends for him as all the other mum's have probably turned her down. I have to admit I feel a bit sorry for Z and his parents, but naturally not to the point of endangering my own child or forcing him into being friends just to provide a social outlet for Z.

MoodyMumOfOne · 12/10/2017 17:07

Ask your son if he would like a playdate with Z, making it clear that it's his choice and he doesn't have to . If he does, engineer things so that it is a short period of time and take from there, depending on how it goes.

LoniceraJaponica · 12/10/2017 17:14

"Just say that you have a very busy family life so you make a rule of limiting play dates only to best friends."

No, please not this^^

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 12/10/2017 17:14

I would probably err towards giving a try in a neutral setting simply because there was a kid when I was at school who sounded a lot like Z. Violent, aggressive, disruptive and everyone and their parents avoided him like the plague. His Mum asked mine for a play date because they had become friends and at first I refused. She essentially bribed me (we were slightly older) and it turned out in a relaxed smaller setting he was a totally different child and we had a lot of fun playing computer games, reading comics and doing art projects.

BWN2012 · 12/10/2017 17:15

Why not suggest meeting in a park or asking him and his mum over for a coffee? Away from the stimulus of noise lots of children he may be a different boy. The mum is obviously trying and as she watches him like a hawk I'm sure it will be fine.

WinnieFosterTether · 12/10/2017 17:22

I'd be more inclined to limit contact with the gossipy mums than to limit play-dates with Z. It sounds like the parents are uniting to isolate and ostracise a child. They're not the sort of parent I'd choose to listen to or spend time with.

Coloursthatweremyjoy · 12/10/2017 17:24

Be honest... just say you asked your son and he doesn't want to. Don't go into details what's the point?

This way she can smile, say OK and go off for a private cry if necessary without wondering if your son doesn't want to, or if you really are just busy, if she should ask next week, or leave it longer, or if she should leave ithe completely.

She knows. Save her the mental gymnastics.

BlueSapp · 12/10/2017 17:26

ah please be nice, this woman is reaching out for friend for her son, don't be harsh, they are 6! and she sounds as if shes a nice responsable mummy, imagine it was the other way round would you not be devistated to face so much rejection from other parents.

Aeroflotgirl · 12/10/2017 17:26

I find all this gossiping about a young child with possible SN very distasteful and nasty and it should stop! The mum is probably having a very hard time, it can be very isolating being a parent of a child with SN, so be kind always!

If your child does not want to play with thus boy, fair enough, he does not have to. Just say your busy or Mabey, leave it open. As a mother of two kids with SN it is hard, it woukd really hurt if you gave me a character assassination of my child.

Raven69351 · 12/10/2017 17:26

I would ask your son whether he wants a playdate.

If he says no, tell Z's mum that DS isn't keen.

If he says yes, I think you probably try a playdate.

Aeroflotgirl · 12/10/2017 17:28

Even coming over for an hour to hers, so that her boy has a friend to p,lay with means a whole lot, but if your son dies not want he does not have to.

BlueSapp · 12/10/2017 17:29

Winnie, Yes completely.
Color, No not nice.

MyLittleDragon · 12/10/2017 17:29

Winnie - op has witnessed the child playing roughly and aggressively with her own eyes before she knew it was the same child the mums were talking about.

Not all sharing of info is made up or gossip. It's not usual for a group of parents to pick on one child and deliberately ostracise him/her.

chocdog · 12/10/2017 17:29

I think you have to say that your son doesn't really want to. Don't explain why though or go into detail. It's too hurtful.

Aeroflotgirl · 12/10/2017 17:30

Yes I woukd report the volunteers to the HT, totally unprofessional and unacceptable.

DixieNormas · 12/10/2017 17:31

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Coloursthatweremyjoy · 12/10/2017 17:33

Whats not nice is people making lame excuses "oh I'm (eternally) busy". Just say no. You don't have to be mean or rude just "actually I asked DS and he's not up for it".

She gets it.

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