To think kids shouldn't talk to teachers like this.

[onlyindreams]

I realise that the majority of kids will show respect to teachers but some of the stuff my dgc tell me is awful. One girl called her teacher a disgusting human being" , another said "you dirty little peado", another one said, when asked not to shout "who do you think you're talking to".

How has it all come to this, i despair, where's the respect gone, please tell me it's not all that bad and not typical of the average 12/13 year old and probably above.

Yes, there are some truly disgusting children out there. But, there are also some shit teachers - mostly SLT.
If my 9yo was made to stand in class for 2 hours I’d lose my shit - swinging chair or not. It’s completely disproportionate. A teen though, I wouldn’t bat an eye.
The head of my DS2s school once punished a SIX year old for a mistake by making him miss every play time for a week. I repeat a mistake. An accident - one that the child didn’t even realise had occurred at the time and when it was discovered apologised profusely. At 6. That teacher has zero respect from me in private. I do, however, make damn sure my child doesn’t ever know that and I back up any decision from school relating to my DC.

Yes, I am a teacher. (Not working currently, mind).

There is no reason at all why a bad teacher should be able to receive respect from the pupils. Would you respect your boss if he/she was crap? I doubt it. Same here with teachers

No. You are wrong. True, the child doesn't need to respect the teacher's teaching skills if they are not very good. But the child should still respect the teacher as a human being, and therefore not behave in an abusive and disrespectful way towards them. Just as I would not swear at my boss or ignore her instructions even if I didn't think she was a good boss. The child should also respect his/her fellow students and not disrupt their lesson.

I can't believe the bar for acceptable behaviour is set so low. There are teachers who aren't great, just like there are people in all jobs who aren't great. Saying that kids can behave how they like every time they get a less than perfect teacher is bloody ridiculous.

I’m primary. If I ever come across a truly dreadful child, I always wonder ‘WTF happened here? How can you be this broken, angry and warped, and not even 12?’ None of them were born like it, they have been made vile by others. Usually adults in one way or another.

Question for all you other teachers though - on the way out today, 3 y6 shits boys were mucking about - 2 shoving another in a hedge and the third telling them to ‘fuck off’ very loudly. On school premises, with much younger ones right there. I know at least 2 of their names - ring and tell the office or just ignore it? Will they actually do anything about it? I’d be mortified if my child did that.

I do wonder what some of these kids will do when the workplace and general life won't indulge them

Then please allow me to outline what happens with more than a few:

They arrive with truculent expressions, moaning about the time they've had to get up
They heave enormous sighs, roll eyes and/or shrug at being asked to do the simplest thing
They resist all training, insisting "I know ..." or "this is stuuuuupid"
They use a pick n' mix of "you can't say that", "it's not fair", "why should I?" or, if pushed, "I feel ill"
They quickly develop timekeeping problems if challenged, because they've been "disrespected"
They become very industrious, once dismissed, in searching out someone who'll listen to whining about how badly they've been treated, hoping to persuade that person to contact the employer with a futile demand they're given their job back

It's not always a lot of fun for employers either ...

Sadly, education for many children is being ruined by the entitled behaviour of a few, supported by their parents. Fortunately I work somewhere that they are not tolerated but I am constantly astounded at parental support of appalling behaviour.

My son ( now 23) but when he was 12 was messing about on the school bus with his friends trying to rock it ( idiot )

I had to go to the school about this incident

Before the Teacher could even began to explain why he was in detention that week . I told her that I was already going to punish my son appropriately by making him walk to school each day and home for the rest of the term l
3 miles there and 3 miles back every day and I wouldn't let him use his bike either.
I could see the teachers huge sigh of relief that I wasn't one of those PFB parents who was going to kick off about his detention .and she did snigger a bit when I told her what his punishment was .

As far I as was concerned if he couldn't behave himself on the bus then he didn't get to use it .Pretty simple

So he got the detention and had to get up,an hour earlier to get to school each day

Served him right for being a idiot and for getting caught 😄

My son though was the only one of 5 kids who was properly punished The other parents kicked up a right fuss

Mrsmargesimpson

Primary or secondary I had told the girl repeatedly not to swing. Would you lose your shit if your 9 year told me they would piss in my class after saying they couldn't go to the loo, or telling a reacher to do it themselves?

Unfortunately, this is what the rest of the world sees/hears and knows of how some English kids behave which gives the rest a bad name. In other countries respect is given to teachers, education is respected. In sure many would agree but I know what I've seen and heard and it's shocking that teachers are so disrespected. I think it all boils down to how children are raised and taught manners and respect, without that they won't show anyone respect.

Today I have been hit in the face, punched in the nuts, spat on and bitten by one child. He'll be back in tomorrow, as will I. Should he be in a mainstream primary, of course not. Will tomorrow be a new day, absolutely. I find forgiveness really easy when the parents are on your side. If his parents were wankers then I certainly would not put up with his behavior for long.

Most people working on fixed salaries do not get paid overtime.

While this is true, most people working on fixed salaries do not have to suck up abuse from entitled angry people. They are usually not liable to pernicious or malicious allegations without any foundation, and don't often have chairs thrown at them. Normally people in professional occupations are working with professional colleagues or advising clients who are consulting them and paying for their knowledge.

If young teachers are only being paid £23k annually to be subjected to such abuse in exchange for £36k in tuition fees, then society cannot be surprised that there's a shortage of teachers.

Primary or secondary I had told the girl repeatedly not to swing. Would you lose your shit if your 9 year told me they would piss in my class after saying they couldn't go to the loo, or telling a reacher to do it themselves?

That’s such a ridiculous comparison. It wasn’t the same child, or the same issue - and you let those ones get away with it! I agree that you might need some behaviour management refreshing to be quite honest. But you, like many, firmly believe you’re right no matter what anyone else thinks so you’ll ignore anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

And yes of I would lose my shit if my child did that. None of mine would dare.

While this is true, most people working on fixed salaries do not have to suck up abuse from entitled angry people. They are usually not liable to pernicious or malicious allegations without any foundation, and don't often have chairs thrown at them. Normally people in professional occupations are working with professional colleagues or advising clients who are consulting them and paying for their knowledge.*

You’ve clearly never worked in retail. DH gets all this and more from paying, adult customers. For a pittance.

MrsMargeSimpson
I would ring and let school know.

If you ring like the polite, reasonable person you sound like then I know my.school would want to know.

you really don't understand what teachers put up with unless you are in that environment

Amen to that. I am taking a few steps back and am currently on supply, working in a special measures school. I am not easily rattled nor does poor behaviour generally bother me but my goodness, I have never seen/heard anything like it. In the last five years, I have been sworn at precisely once. In the last three weeks, I have lost count of the number of young people who think it perfectly acceptable to tell me to fuck off, call me a bitch, or threaten me physically when asked to get on with...learning. This morning I was told to 'shut the fuck up' when challenging attitude in a 12 year old.

It is astounding how many children are totally lacking in boundaries and who can rely on their parents to blame the teacher for trying to teach uninterrupted rather than challenge their utterly unpleasant offspring.

Unfortunately, this is not an extreme experience. This is happening in schools all over the country. Everyday.

Mrsmargesimpson

I didn't let them get away with it. They were both kept in for 15 minutes at lunchtime and the boy wasn't allowed to go to the toilet.

I didn't let them get away with it. They were both kept in for 15 minutes at lunchtime and the boy wasn't allowed to go to the toilet.

Which is proportionate compared to 2 hours standing for swinging on a chair? Didn’t you say you won’t bother informing the parents because there’s no point. That’s getting away with it as far as I’m concerned.

Hmmmm can I ask how is being refused the right to use the toilet a punishment?

I always found this unusual as a student and even more so now in a professional environment where going to the toilet is just a bodily function you have?

I would like to ask whether not being allowed to use the toilet is genuinely used as a punishment? That doesn’t seem right to me, it’s a necessary bodily function not a fun activity.

I was feeling all smug when i read Maisy's list that i didn't do any of them until i got to Swear regularly in front of the children

You don't get to go to the toilet when you have screamed and shouted about your fucking human rights and why won't that fucking bitch let me go, no. Never. If you want to go to the toilet 5 minutes after break, you show some respect, get on with the work you are set and ask politely. 9/10 in those circumstances you get what you want.

Sarahvanstone

I don't let children use the toilet during lessons anyway. I certianly wasn't going to let him after speaking like that. Denial of the toilet was not his punishment as not going to the toilet during lessons is normal. Staying in for 15 minutes at lunch and getting a lecture about how he should have gone and break and language like that is not acceptable. He then was allowed to go to the toilet at lunch, like he should do.

We have hourly lessons. Students are more than able to go to the toilet in between. They also have half an hour at lunch and we finish fairly early.
As a long term member of staff with a chronic bowel illness I am understanding to those who have similar issues (my youngest being on) and he carries a pass.
You have to manage expectations. I know them well enough to know who is pulling my leg, who is messing around and who never asks. I ask them to pop out quick at the start and end. But I do get told off for it! Meh!

Ohreally

Spot on.

I understand some kids do it just to fuck about! but do kids really open up with i need the fucking toilet it’s my human rights?

I know I used to spule some of this as a kid and how it was child abuse to deny me as I would get a UTI which I am prone to but only after some teachers used to exercise there ‘right’ to say no....

It’s like drink lots of water stay hydrated, no don’t use the toilet make yourself sick...