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How would you feel if your 16 year old DS wanted to become a 'young conservative'

721 replies

BigSandyBalls2015 · 03/10/2017 09:18

That is all!
Opinions please.

OP posts:
Ceto · 03/10/2017 14:16

acting disgusted if their child forms their own political opinion

MarthaArthur, there is a difference between being disgusted if a child forms their own political opinion, and being disappointed in the opinion they have formed. I don't understand why you don't seem able to see that.

My children have a number of political opinions that differ from mine, and I'm fine with that. However, if those opinions included thinking it's fine to treat the disabled and elderly the way the Tories treat them, I would certainly feel I had gone wrong somewhere.

DJBaggySmalls · 03/10/2017 14:17

If you have to take quotes out of context to make a point, on a public forum where people can go read the original post for themselves, you just look desperate as well as dishonest.

BitchQueen90 · 03/10/2017 14:21

I'd be disappointed as I'm very left wing, but it's his life not mine. I wouldn't treat him any differently.

Restingwitchface · 03/10/2017 14:22

Activate is the new Young Conservatives

SilverySurfer · 03/10/2017 14:24

OP are you suggesting he should follow your -IMO misguided-- political believes sheeplike and should be incapable of critical thought?

Pancakeflipper
The average age of a typical Tory voter is now 70+ years. So they'll be extinct in another 20 yrs.

Wow you're lovely aren't you, waiting for us all to pop off Hmm

Keep the comments coming, it's giving me a good laugh Grin

topicOfTheDay · 03/10/2017 14:32

@SusanTheGentle

Using your own definition (M W's)

"especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

'Abducted by aliens' seems to mean a Tory is inhuman.

'I'd have thought I raised them to be better people' means that Tories are worse people than other voters.

'Like I had failed' - anyone who is a Tory is a failure.

Disagreement needs reason. The quotes I quickly pulled (some out of context apparently) don't show disagreement. They run much deeper than that.

I work with a lot of children (young adults). If I expressed similar unsubstantiated views towards their being in the cult of Corbyn, I think MN would have a fit.

Creambun2 · 03/10/2017 14:35

I'd hang my head in shame.

yoyoyoy · 03/10/2017 14:42

I would be proud that my children were confident enough to join the YC without worrying about whether or not they were risking animosity from their contemporaries and indeed adults . How awful to assume that your children should follow the same voting pattern as you , everyone is entitled to their own opinion aren't they (or maybe not if keen labour supporters get their way) Is this the new democracy we can expect if JC gets in , you are entitled to any opinion as long as its the same as Momentums -how intolerant and illiberal

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/10/2017 14:44

I don't and never have voted Tory but some of the views on this thread are about as close minded, stereotyped rubbish as you can get.

SusanTheGentle · 03/10/2017 14:45

Your reading comprehension skills are very poor, @topicOfTheDay.

'Abducted by aliens' seems to mean a Tory is inhuman. No, in context it clearly meant that the person's child is very left wing and so they are jokingly pointing out that their child is highly unlikely to join the YCs.

'I'd have thought I raised them to be better people' means that Tories are worse people than other voters. Fair. But still not bigoted: it means that in the poster's opinion, Tory policies are inconsistent with the moral code that they had hoped they'd instilled in their child. But it does not contain the 'hatred and intolerance' of other people that is required for bigotry. Disagreeing with you is not bigotry.

'Like I had failed' - anyone who is a Tory is a failure. No, again, you're confusing what the poster means here. They are not saying that Tories are failures. They are saying that they personally would feel like a failure if their child did not follow their political beliefs.

These are not unsubstantiated views - they are emotional responses to the question that was posed to us.

I think if you (wilfully?) misunderstood what your young charges were saying to you in the same manner that you've misinterpreted clear posts here, you'd have bigger problems with them than an unfortunate choice in political hero.

Slarti · 03/10/2017 14:46

topic Tory policies have harmed people, vulnerable people, the disabled, etc. Generally speaking people who support that are worse people than those who oppose it. That's an uncomfortable truth many on the right want to silence, for obvious reasons.

BertrandRussell · 03/10/2017 14:46

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Today 14:35 Creambun2

I'd hang my head in shame.

Today 14:32 topicOfTheDay

@SusanTheGentle

Using your own definition (M W's)

"especially one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

'Abducted by aliens' seems to mean a Tory is inhuman. No- I said that because my child is so unlikely to want to be a young conservative that I would think he had somehow been switched for a look alike if he did. A perfectly usual expression

'I'd have thought I raised them to be better people' means that Tories are worse people than other voters. Well, I do think tories have worse values than labour people. Otherwise I'd vote for them. I assume vice versa applies. It certainly does if this thread is anything to go by

'Like I had failed' - anyone who is a Tory is a failure. No. A parent who feels very strongly about anything might well feel they had failed if their child takes a completely different path

BertrandRussell · 03/10/2017 14:47

That c&p and building went a bit funny.

RedForFilth · 03/10/2017 14:47

I'd be totally gutted that he has such different values to what I hope he will have. But I wouldn't voice it and I'd respect him all the same. I'm saying he because I have a son, I'm not being sexist.

BertrandRussell · 03/10/2017 14:50

"some of the views on this thread are about as close minded, stereotyped rubbish as you can get"

Yes, some of the views expressed about "Corbynistas" and the Labour Party have been pretty unpleasant, I agree.

muttmad · 03/10/2017 14:54

Happy and relieved!

Fekko · 03/10/2017 14:55

I'd be surprised. He loathes Theresa May, but thinks Corbin is an idiot.

topicOfTheDay · 03/10/2017 14:56

@SusanTheGentle

I responded to you without the slightest hint of insult, either towards your intelligence or general person.

A shame you couldn't do the same. Why not?

Your view of intolerant is very different to mine, clearly.

"They are saying that they personally would feel like a failure if their child did not follow their political beliefs."

This is the saddest thing I've read in a while. I can think of very few worse things than looking to bring a child up to agree with you as opposed to form their own opinions.

In my experience, those who have different opinions and are able to defend them tend to be stronger people than those who simply follow their parents thinking.

It's a pity that your comments began to get personal when there was no aggression or rudeness on my part.

derxa · 03/10/2017 14:56

Your reading comprehension skills are very poor, @topicOfTheDay.
Grin This is bloody hilarious.

BertrandRussell · 03/10/2017 15:03

It's very strange that people seem to think that a child can'think for themselves, read and listen and discuss- and end up having the same political views as his parents!

SusanTheGentle · 03/10/2017 15:04

You were quoting people out of context, @topicOfTheDay, and you were the one who started off by calling people's personal feelings bigoted wank.

BertrandRussell · 03/10/2017 15:05

"I responded to you without the slightest hint of insult, either towards your intelligence or general person"

Says the person who used the expression "bigoted wank"...............

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 03/10/2017 15:06

Yes, some of the views expressed about "Corbynistas" and the Labour Party have been pretty unpleasant, I agree.

Maybe. I do notice, however that you can't bring yourself to say that about some of the things said about another parties members or voters is wrong, just because you don't agree with their politics.

BartholinsSister · 03/10/2017 15:08

The average age of a typical Tory voter is now 70+ years. So they'll be extinct in another 20 yrs.
Perhaps there will be a new bunch of 70 year olds by then.

Mittens1969 · 03/10/2017 15:11

My DNephew is in the young Conservatives, I cringe at some of his FB posts.

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