Drink drive limit barman ?

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I've to a funeral today and got lost enroute to wake afterwards. Also, I know three other people seriously ill and DD had problems recently so feeling sensitive.

So I arrive at pub where wake is on my own and felt like I wanted to treat myself as life hasn't been fun recently. Asked for a small glass of wine and barman gave me a 125ml drink, I apologised and said I meant 175ml. He asked me if I was driving, yes I was and then told me bluntly 125ml was the drink drive limit, he wasn't going to give me any more in THAT glass as I'd be over the limit and he'd be responsible if I got caught. I did point out I didn't normally drink & drive so wasn't 100% aware of the drink drive limit but thought I'd have been able to have a couple of 125ml glasses, to which he replied if you come back and ask for another glass of 125ml wine I could have it but I'd then have consumed 250ml which wasn't on.

With everything going on I was a bit shell shocked and told him I'd have my usual glass of water. My BIL was at the funeral and bought himself two pints and nothing was said to him

I guess I'm just a sensitive at the moment, looking online I don't think he was right re: limit and he was being nasty.

People are not killed all the time from people ‘having just one’ I am sorry but they really are not.

I do choose to not drink anything and drive but I have also had about 200mls of wine in the last couple of hours and have just ‘breath tested’ with a tester I have and am well under.

The point is though that this was a man policing a woman. Again.

(Disclaimer - my husband was killed by a drunk driver (and drugged up) but this person was very drunk - so I do have a complete understanding of the affects of alcohol)

There isn't sufficient scientific proof.
So the limit should be zero.
Operating any machinery at work.... the limit should be zero.
As for the comment that's it's "men policing women", utter cringe

Scotland hasnt adopted a zero drink driving limit. In Scotland you are still able to drink a small (125ml) glass of wine and be under the limit (allowing for all the variations).

All these people who say you should never have even one drink and drive - the law allows you to so why shouldnt you?

Surely if you drive you should be aware of the drink/drive limits? It is about time that it was a zero amount legally. All sorts of things can affect how you absorb alcohol and how quickly you get drunk. The barman does appear to have been sexist in not questioning your BIL, but that is not really the point. Why did you think a small glass was 175ml?

Also, the pp who said what proof there was that zero limit would cause less accidents - are you for real? Anyone who is behind the wheel with a drink in them has their reaction times altered - they probably don't think so, but it is true. Of course there should be a zero limit. Of course accidents will still happen, but they are far more likely to happen when the driver is drunk! Are you someone who habitually drink-drives?

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What is it then? Why do you think the OP was questioned but not the bil?

No overnight angel you're wrong. There is scientific proof that your driving is impaired AT and ABOVE the current DD England & Wales limits. Which funnily enough, is exactly where it came from.

There is no evidence of impairment below that limit. Which is why it's legal for you to operate a car at those levels

Various things can make you more likely to have an accident;

In a rush
Stressed
Getting lost
Tuning the radio
Sorting a CD
Lack of experience
Thinking you are the best driver in the world ;-)

Going to stop all of those things too?!

the law allows you to so why shouldnt you?

The law allows you to beat your children. It used to allow men to rape their wives. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!

He was being a bit OTT,

BUT - 2 x 125ml wine can easily put you close to or over the limit, so you would be very unreasonable to drink that much and drive. It's a third of a bottle of wine. 175ml probably wouldn't, but you'd not be far from it.

None of those agencies do any research into driving. I know you can find a millions links promoting the Scottish drink drive limit- that's not under debate. But let's not pretend the royal college of surgeons know more than the highways agency.

When I was working in pubs I wouldn't have served you 175ml whilst you were driving either, especially as you had asked for a small which is 125ml, however I wouldn't have served your BIL 2 pints either. Drinking any alcohol and driving is irresponsible and selfish whatever the reasons. because it's not just you you would be putting in danger.

I'm not sure legally he would have been responsible but I know I would have felt responsible had someone I had served had a drink driving accident, which is why I was always an absolute bitch about it.

Who incidentially, a few years ago, considered a campaign highlighting that you should consider whether you are ok to drive whenever you get in the car. Being unwell, stressed, hungover, angry and driving all increase your risk of causing an accident. However they found people were often happy to drive as long as they were legally able to, using only those parameters for their driving decision.

I don't think the law does allow you to beat your children. It certainly doesnt in Scotland.

Sounds like he was sexist to call you out and not your BIL. He should have had the same approach to you both. There is a strange attitude to drinking and driving. A pp has said research shows driving is impaired at or above the legal limit; there is plenty that suggests alcohol impairs reaction times at half that.

He could have been more polite about it, assuming your recollection of his words is correct. But he was being responsible. ANY alcohol will impair your driving. And if you're already upset, then your driving will already be less than stellar.

And it isn't just your risk, You are potentially putting other innocent road users at risk too.

They are NOT far more likely to happen when the driver is under the limit. They are very unlikely to happen as a result of alcohol, because most people are not sufficiently impaired by one alcoholic drink for their driving tone affected

MOST PEOPLE not nobody is impaired, most people are not sufficiently impaired. Why take the risk? Why should other people be put in danger because most people aren't that badly affected by 1 drink?

I don't think the law does allow you to beat your children. It certainly doesnt in Scotland.

As long as you use your hand and don't leave a mark you can.

Funnily enough Margaret the OP does have a protected characteristic and one could infer, from her BIL being served without question and her being humiliated and harraased, that that characteristic is exactly why this happened

Unless the pub was full of men and women were being routinely turned away that wouldn't wash as a breach of a protected characteristic.

We don't know why the barman turned her down. But given what she's told us about being distressed, harassed, getting lost, being upset and the general overwrought tone of her post there's a hell of a lot more reasons to think that there were other things which were amiss which made the barman wary other than her sex.

Plus presumably the BIL arrived with the group so it's less likely the barman was even aware he was a driver unlike the OP arriving alone, late.

Put it this way, it wouldn't stand up in court.

Well no, because this research is carried by transport research specialists. How is that baffling? It's a whole industry.