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Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 29/09/2017 23:52

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3035639-Is-he-Right-Left-or-is-He-Nothing-at-All-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

Nice work if you can get it.

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lettuceWrap · 10/10/2017 00:29

I "got" the thread title, and laughed, but I was a teen when the song came out Grin

Saffronwblue · 10/10/2017 00:34

Well we are into the morning of the 10th here. Senator Corker made my day yesterday.

TheClaws · 10/10/2017 01:09

China has been caught hacking Australian defence contractors. (This isn’t exactly news to me - they’ve been doing it for ages, but it’s only now the report has come out.)

twitter.com/CORLEBRA777/status/917539093524836353

cozietoesie · 10/10/2017 01:32

I wonder how the Chinese view Mattis?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 06:56

That Atlanti piece is very interesting but depressing in that it seems like it’s a lose-lose situation as the gop aren’t willing to take action evicting trump.

More on how he’s contained (parents of toddlers take note: there is some useful information here)

White House aides lean on delays and distraction to manage Trump

In interviews, senior staff and others close to the president have described a series of guardrails they use to push the president away from rash decisions.

www.politico.com/story/2017/10/09/trump-aides-guard-rails-243608

As White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus mused to associates that telling President Donald Trump no was usually not an effective strategy. Telling him “next week” was often the better idea.

Trump would impulsively want to fire someone like attorney general Jeff Sessions, create a new wide–ranging policy with far–flung implications like increasing tariffs on Chinese steel imports or end a decades–old deal like the North American Free Trade Agreement. Enraged with a TV segment or frustrated after a meandering meeting, the president would order it done immediately.

Delaying the decision would give Priebus and others a chance to change his mind or bring in advisers to speak with Trump – and in some cases, to ensure Trump would drop the idea altogether and move on.

Publicly, the White House has pushed back against Tennessee Republican Sen. Bob Corker suggesting Trump must be managed like a toddler – he called the White House an “adult day care center” on Twitter Sunday. In a separate New York Times interview, Corker said aides are forced to spend their days trying to keep the president from going off the rails.

But interviews with ten current and former administration officials, advisers, longtime business associates and others close to Trump describe a process where they try to install guardrails for a president who goes on gut feeling – and many days are spent managing the president, just as Corker said.

“You either had to just convince him something better was his idea or ignore what he said to do and hoped he forgot about it the next day,” said Barbara Res, a former executive in the Trump Organization.

Trump, several advisers and aides said, sometimes comes into the Oval Office worked into a lather from talking to friends or watching TV coverage in the morning. Sometimes, a side conversation with an aide like Stephen Miller on immigration or a TV host like Sean Hannity would set him off.

Then, staffers would step in to avert a rash decision by calming him down. At times, new information would be shared, like charts on how farmers might feel about ending the North American Free Trade Agreement – or how his base might react negatively to an idea, like the verbal deal he struck with Democrats on immigration last month.

In the first stretches of the administration, aides would ask outside figures to intervene with Trump.

Among those sometimes engaged: business figures Stephen Schwarzman, Tom Barrack, Richard LeFrak or politicians he respects like Corker and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, among others. One outside adviser said White House aides had called him on at least five occasions to intervene.

On occasion, at least some of those advisers have plotted about their conversations with Trump to coordinate messages and share notes.

Sometimes, advisers and people who know him well deliberately engage the media. Corker has told others on Capitol Hill that Trump doesn’t listen unless he hears the criticism on TV or reads it in the paper.

[there’s more and it’s worth a read]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 07:00

Also chilling, if not unexpected

Hacker study: Russia could get into U.S. voting machines

www.politico.com/story/2017/10/09/russia-voting-machines-hacking-243603

American voting machines are full of foreign-made hardware and software, including from China, and a top group of hackers and national security officials says that means they could have been infiltrated last year and into the future.

DEFCON, the world’s largest hacker conference, will release its findings on Tuesday, months after hosting a July demonstration in which hackers quickly broke into 25 different types of voting machines.

[...]Though the report offers no proof of an attack last year, experts involved with it say they’re sure it is possible—and probable—and that the chances of a bigger attack in the future are high.

“From a technological point of view, this is something that is clearly doable,” said Sherri Ramsay, the former director of the federal Central Security Service Threat Operations Center, which handles cyber threats for the military and the National Security Agency. “For us to turn a blind eye to this, I think that would be very irresponsible on our part.”

[...]But at the DEFCON event in Las Vegas, hackers took over voting machines, remotely and exposed personal information in voter files and more.

Las Vegas was a timed event to prove a point. But the hackers say that taking the machines apart in the months since has exposed deeper vulnerabilities. Parts and programs that could easily be embedded with malware and sleeper commands are being incorporated from all over the world, from suppliers and shippers without clear security measures.

That easily opens the possibility that a country with large resources and a long-term view—like Russia—could get access.

It sounds like science fiction, or at least “Ocean’s 11,” but cybersecurity experts are frantically waving their hands, trying to get Americans to see that in foreign capitals, the American voting system just looks like easy opportunity.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 07:03

TRying to save face (and not the country, the rest of the world etc)

GOP lawmaker: Trump-Tillerson tensions are part of the president's 'strategy'

thehill.com/homenews/administration/354514-gop-lawmaker-trump-tillerson-tensions-are-part-of-the-presidents?amp

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 07:08

Russians' lawyer says new documents show Trump Tower meeting not about dirt on Clinton

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/09/politics/russia-trump-tower-meeting-new-documents/index.html

The emails provided to CNN between Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and publicist Rob Goldstone who arranged the meeting with Trump Jr. show Veselnitskaya asked the morning of the meeting for a Russian-American lobbyist to be added because of his knowledge of the Magnitsky Act, the legislation that put in place US sanctions discussed at the meeting.

And a five-page talking points memo also provided to CNN shows Veselnitskaya's case to repeal the Magnitsky Act to improve US-Russia relations, with a passing reference to a possible financer of Clinton's campaign.

[...]The new email does not provide any conclusive evidence about why Trump Jr. accepted the meeting. But it does offer some clues about how some of the participants plan to argue that the meeting was not an act of collusion between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.

Balber, the lawyer who provided the email, suggested to CNN that Goldstone "probably exaggerated and maybe willfully contorted the facts for the purpose of making the meeting interesting to the Trump people."

"The documents and what she told me are consistent with my client's understanding of the purpose of the meeting which was from the beginning and at all times thereafter about her efforts to launch a legislative review of the Magnitsky Act," Balber said.

Trump Jr., the president's oldest son, has said that the meeting centered on adoptions and was a waste of his time. The campaign never followed up with Veselnitskaya after the meeting, the White House said. Those at the top of the campaign say they never heard about the meeting because it was inconsequential.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 07:13

A ‘pressure cooker’: Trump’s frustration and fury rupture alliances, threaten agenda

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/a-pressure-cooker-trumps-frustration-and-fury-rupture-alliances-threaten-agenda/2017/10/09/41115744-ad0d-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

Frustrated by his Cabinet and angry that he has not received enough credit for his handling of three successive hurricanes, President Trump is now lashing out, rupturing alliances and imperiling his legislative agenda, numerous White House officials and outside advisers said Monday.

In a matter of days, Trump has torched bridges all around him, nearly imploded an informal deal with Democrats to protect young undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children, and plunged himself into the culture wars on issues ranging from birth control to the national anthem.

In doing so, Trump is laboring to solidify his standing with his populist base and return to the comforts of his campaign — especially after the embarrassing defeat of Sen. Luther Strange in last month's Alabama GOP special election, despite the president's trip there to campaign with the senator.

Sen. Bob Corker's brutal assessment of Trump's fitness for office — warning that the president's reckless behavior could launch the nation "on the path to World War III" — also hit like a thunderclap inside the White House, where aides feared possible ripple effects among other Republicans on Capitol Hill.

[...]One Trump confidant likened the president to a whistling teapot, saying that when he does not blow off steam, he can turn into a pressure cooker and explode. "I think we are in pressure cooker territory," said this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 07:19

Kyle Griffin
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Trump continues NFL feud, meanwhile Calif. Gov. Brown declares a state of emergency as wildfires kill at least 10, destroy 1500 structures.

Also the Jones Act waiver has expired meaning that Puerto Rico now will have to pay double for vital emergencies supplies. White House indifferent Sad

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59dba977e4b0b34afa5b36e6

Lapan said DHS is “always prepared to review requests on a case-by-case basis and respond quickly” to possible waivers of the Jones Act. But those decisions have to be related to national defense, he said, and are not driven by cost-related matters.

“We believe that extending the waiver is unnecessary to support the humanitarian relief efforts” on Puerto Rico, Lapan said. “There is an ample supply of Jones Act-qualified vessels to ensure that cargo is able to reach” the island.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 07:22

Beyond white privilege at this point, surely?

Virginia police issue warrant for black man brutally assaulted by neo-Nazis in Charlottesville

[graphic pic in the link of his injuries]

www.rawstory.com/2017/10/virginia-police-issue-warrant-for-black-man-brutally-assaulted-by-neo-nazis-in-charlottesville/amp/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 07:24

Organizers behind armed white supremacist protest in Houston revealed as Russian

thinkprogress.org/armed-white-supremacist-protest-organized-by-russians-d730f83ca275/amp/

lionheart · 10/10/2017 07:38

Strategy? Ha!

That update on Charlottesville is unbelievable.

Meanwhile:

thehill.com/homenews/senate/354621-dem-senator-trumps-threat-to-start-war-with-north-korea-must-be-taken

badbadhusky · 10/10/2017 08:24

Looks more and more like a hostile takeover by the day. Sad

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 08:25

Renato Mariotti
Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
THREAD: Why were the Russians in the Trump Tower meeting asked to sign non-disclosure agreements, and does it matter?
1/ The important part of the @CNN story I discussed earlier was buried near the end of the article. Here’s the link:
2/ @CNN reports that the Russian-American lobbyist and her translator both signed a non-disclosure agreement with the Russian attorney.
3/ As @CNN notes, that is highly unusual. Those agreements (commonly called NDAs) are usually signed as part of a business transaction or
4/ settlement of a lawsuit where one side knows of confidential information. @CNN reports that typical Trump campaign meetings had no NDAs
5/ That leads us to an obvious question: why require participants in the Trump Tower meeting to sign NDAs?
6/ The obvious implication is that they did not want what was discussed at that meeting to be known by the general public.
7/Those NDAs will do absolutely nothing to keep information away from Mueller if he issues grand jury subpoenas or court orders.
8/ All they will do is raise questions about why the information needed to be secret and who they were worried would find out about it.
9/ It could also raise an inference that they knew what happened during the meeting would be problematic. /end

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 08:31

bad with a narcissistic twat as the front man

Ginger Gibson @GingerGibson
Did the White House really put out a statement touting praise from the president's own cabinet? The employees praise the boss!

Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued
lettuceWrap · 10/10/2017 08:48

Thanks Pain and Lion for my Sunday morning reading Smile

There's a lot of dread inducing stuff in there (not helped by the fact that DH and I watched the first 4 episodes of Handmaidens tale last night in a massive viewing binge).

Trump is burning so many bridges and lashing out at everyone around him, I fear that's going to push us into war with NK being the trigger but with the UK (where I live), aligned with the US against ? I don't know, china? Russia?
How does it go? Trump bombs NK, NK nukes Japan, USA and U.K. jointly nuke NK (reports in uk newspaper that the uk is making plans to back the USA in military conflict with NK). Then what, how far would it go?

I think I need more Brew, or maybe Gin

lionheart · 10/10/2017 09:14

Definately Gin.

lionheart · 10/10/2017 09:57

Or even definitely. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 11:19

More on California. I hadn't appreciated the scope of it

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/wildfires-rip-through-california-wiping-out-whole-neighborhoods-1067147331910

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/10/2017 12:10

Natasha Bertrand @NatashaBertrand
! Trump on Tillerson calling him a moron: "If he did that, I guess we'll have to compare IQ tests. And I can tell you who is going to win.'"

cozietoesie · 10/10/2017 13:52

Interesting timing. Smile

Bannon declares war on GOP

cozietoesie · 10/10/2017 13:59

Over 100 people reported missing.

California wildfires