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Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 29/09/2017 23:52

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3035639-Is-he-Right-Left-or-is-He-Nothing-at-All-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

Nice work if you can get it.

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badbadhusky · 04/10/2017 06:47

I'm not contributing much at the mo, as busy at work so limited time for extra reading, but I am still reading the thread daily and persisting.

TheClaws · 04/10/2017 06:52

Between some tweets about how wonderful FEMA and first responders in Puerto Rico are, DT makes it somewhat clear what his views are on Las Vegas by retweeting the loathsome Hannity. I do not doubt Hannity will focus on how the ‘Leftist’ media covered LV.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago
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It is a "miracle" how fast the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police were able to find the demented shooter and stop him from even more killing

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Sean Hannity‏Verified account @seanhannity 6h6 hours ago
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Tonight the truth about how despicable the media and the left are in America today. We will name names. 9 est Hannity Fox News from Vegas.

TheClaws · 04/10/2017 06:55

Keep persisting, badbadhusky!

orlantina · 04/10/2017 07:03

"If only the killer was Muslim"

www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/opinion/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-terrorism.html

On crushing ISIS, our president and his party are all in. On asking the N.R.A. for even the tiniest moderation, they are AWOL. No matter how many innocents are fatally shot — no matter even that one of their own congressional leaders was critically wounded playing baseball — it’s never time to discuss any serious policy measures to mitigate gun violence.

And in the wake of last month’s unprecedented hurricanes in the Atlantic — that wrought over $200 billion of damage on Houston and Puerto Rico, not to mention smaller cities — Scott Pruitt, Trump’s head of the Environmental Protection Agency, also told us that it was not the time to discuss “the cause and effect” of these superstorms and how to mitigate their damage. We need to focus on helping the victims, he said. But for Pruitt, we know, it’s never time to take climate change seriously.

To take ISIS seriously abroad, but then to do nothing to mitigate these other real threats to our backyards, concert venues and coastal cities, is utter madness.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 07:18

NBC Politics
NBC Politics @NBCPolitics
BREAKING: NBC News has obtained White House talking points distributed to Trump administration allies following Las Vegas shooting:

Las Vegas Shooting
The President's thoughts and prayers are with the hundreds of victims who were killed and injured in this senseless act of violence.
We are monitoring the situation closely and offer our full support to state and local officials.
All of those affected are in our thoughts and prayers.
The FBI, Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security are working with local law enforcement officials to determine the facts surrounding this tragedy, and it wouldn't be appropriate to start having a political debate before we even know the facts, less than 24 hours after local law enforcement and first responders arrived on the scene.

ISIS:
The FBI has said there is no evidence of a link between the suspect and an international terrorist organization at this time.

Gun Control:
Let's gather the facts before we make sweeping policy arguments for curtailing the Second Amendment. The investigation is still in its earliest stages.
The Second Amendment has endured for more than two centuries for a reason: it is a key constitutional right that is meant to protect people's freedoms, and the President understands that.
The President believes that our founding principles, like freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the right to bear arms must be protected while maintaining public safety.
We welcome a reasoned and well-informed debate on public safety and our constitutional freedoms, but we reject the false choice that we can't have both.
And when it comes to gun control, let's be clear: new laws won't stop a mad man committed to harming innocent people. They will curtail the freedoms of law abiding citizens.
We've seen terrorist attacks committed with knives, by people driving cars into crowds, and hijacking airplanes.
And some of America's cities with the strictest gun laws have the highest rates of gun violence. Examples include:
Chicago last year had over 4,300 shooting victims
Baltimore last year had over 900 shooting victims
This shows that more laws on the books may not work. The problems in these cities and many others isn't too few gun laws.
Also, we've had examples where concealed carry has allowed people to protect themselves and stop a mass shooting in its tracks, such as last month in a church in Texas.
Again, we welcome this debate, but in the wake of Sunday night's tragedy, we shouldn't rush toward compromising our freedoms before we have all the facts.

WHY WAIT?:
Some of the unknowns we must learn from investigators:
· What motivated this individual?
· Did he have radical ties?
· Did he have mental health issues?
· How was his weapon obtained

[the why wait is sensible - it’s just not applied when the terrorist isn’t white. Then we have potus wildly asserting all sorts of things that are often untrue and proposing things like the travel ban within hours of the incident happening. Also, I wonder who supplies these talking points?]

TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/10/2017 07:24

Two-faced, two-timing turd.
A sorry and sordid tale - whichever side you're on.

Scott DesJarlais, Pro-Life Republican Congressman And Doctor, Pressured Mistress Patient To Get Abortion (UPDATE)
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1953136

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 07:28

Just seen a more comprehensive critique:

Shannon Watts
Shannon Watts @shannonrwatts

  1. Did the @NRA write these? That’s the only way to explain why it instructs lawmakers to say laws don’t work.
  2. Implies act of domestic terrorism was actually international terrorism.
  3. Makes racist diversion from mass shooting by white man to shootings in Chicago and Baltimore.
  4. Erroneously claims armed citizen “stopped mass shooter in his tracks;” shooter shot 8 people and himself before usher got gun out of car.
  5. And - wait for it - says the president is a staunch supporter of the freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
  6. Be outraged that the nation’s highest ranking officials are conspiring to allow more Americans to be slaughtered due to @NRA agenda.
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 07:38

CNN
CNN @CNN
BREAKING: Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Wisconsin and Michigan during last year's election

Exclusive: Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin

(CNN) A number of Russian-linked Facebook ads specifically targeted Michigan and Wisconsin, two states crucial to Donald Trump's victory last November, according to four sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Some of the Russian ads appeared highly sophisticated in their targeting of key demographic groups in areas of the states that turned out to be pivotal, two of the sources said. The ads employed a series of divisive messages aimed at breaking through the clutter of campaign ads online, including promoting anti-Muslim messages, sources said.

It has been unclear until now exactly which regions of the country were targeted by the ads. And while one source said that a large number of ads appeared in areas of the country that were not heavily contested in the elections, some clearly were geared at swaying public opinion in the most heavily contested battlegrounds.

Michigan saw the closest presidential contest in the country -- Trump beat Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton by about 10,700 votes out of nearly 4.8 million ballots cast. Wisconsin was also one of the tightest states, and Trump won there by only about 22,700 votes. Both states, which Trump carried by less than 1%, were key to his victory in the Electoral College.

The sources did not specify when in 2016 the ads ran in Michigan and Wisconsin.

Hillary Warned Us
Hillary Warned Us @HillaryWarnedUs
Floor reporters at the 2016 Dem convention noted the Hillary hecklers came from...wait for it...Wisconsin and Michigan.

lionheart · 04/10/2017 07:39

Let's not have a debate but here are my points for debate. Shock

CNN on Facebook:

edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/russian-facebook-ads-michigan-wisconsin/index.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 07:46

This seems a tad belated:

Justice releases anti-nepotism White House memos

thehill.com/homenews/administration/353572-doj-releases-memos-that-supported-coverage-of-presidents-in-anti?amp

lionheart · 04/10/2017 09:04

WH transcript of Trump's incisive remarks on his visit to Puerto Rico.

www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/10/03/remarks-president-trump-briefing-hurricane-maria-relief-efforts

TheClaws · 04/10/2017 10:41

Pain Re: the talking points on gun control. It’s clear to me that there will be no change whatsoever. Bannon/the NRA/whoever has been in his ear and he knows he can’t move on anything, even if he wanted to. ‘Conceal to carry’ frightens me. It wouldn’t make me feel safe knowing that the person I’m standing next to in the elevator may have a concealed weapon.

BiglyBadgers · 04/10/2017 10:55

I spent a few months travelling around America on the Greyhounds in my youth. None of the British people I knew could get their heads around people wandering around with guns. You could see us all visibly recoil when we saw one. It was an unconscious reaction to the sight of someone with a dangerous weapon. I remember being particularly shocked by people sitting around drinking beer with a gun on their hip. Who could think that is a good idea?! Shock

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 11:16

the claws you're not wrong there. It is galling that he is unelected and therefore should hold no sway but still has massive influence thanks to Mercer backing.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/353562-bannon-trump-pivot-to-left-on-gun-control-impossible

Former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon reportedly said it would be “impossible” for President Trump to move to the left on gun control following the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas, adding that it would be the "end of everything."

"Impossible: will be the end of everything," Bannon, now chairman of Breitbart News, said in a text to an Axios reporter when asked if he could see the president supporting restrictions.

The president’s former top aide also told the news outlet that it would be “actually worse” for Trump among his base of supporters if he backed gun control legislation than if he backed an amnesty bill for undocumented immigrants

TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/10/2017 11:45

Unbelievable! Sad

Trump's Puerto Rico event was way worse than his tweets

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/03/politics/trump-puerto-rico/index.html

TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/10/2017 11:49

And now we have Boris emulating the Orange one. Ugh!

Speaking about the potential of Sirte, the Libyan city where Muammar Gaddafi was killed, Johnson drew gasps and embarrassed laughter from the audience when he said: “There’s a group of UK business people, wonderful guys who want to invest in Sirte, on the coast, near where Gaddafi was actually captured and executed as some of you may have seen.
“And they literally have a brilliant vision to turn Sirte, with the help of the municipality of Sirte, to turn it into the next Dubai. The only thing they’ve got to do is clear the dead bodies away and then they’ll be there.”
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/03/sirte-can-become-a-holiday-destination-if-it-clears-the-dead-bodies-says-johnson?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Saffronwblue · 04/10/2017 11:59
InigoTaran · 04/10/2017 12:01

I think this is a good analogy about how difficult it should be to buy guns...

Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued
OhYouBadBadKitten · 04/10/2017 13:12

That clip of him throwing the paper towels out makes me incredibly angry. Where is the dignity? Where is the treating people as fellow human beings? Angry

OhYouBadBadKitten · 04/10/2017 13:13

Angry at Johnson too.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 13:18

Johnson is an utter twat and it is completely baffling why so many people are taken in by his foppish persona.

@Amy_Siskind
NEW: announcement coming today by Burr and Warner of Senate Intel Comm.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/10/2017 13:31

This is not at all surprising given how their current flagrant disregard for the law is being greeted with complete silence and inaction but:

Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. Were Close to Being Charged With Felony Fraud

New York prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. overruled his staff after a visit from a top donor: Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz.

This article is a collaboration between ProPublica, WNYC and The New Yorker and is not subject to our Creative Commons license.

In the spring of 2012, Donald Trump’s two eldest children, Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr., found themselves in a precarious legal position. For two years, prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney’s office had been building a criminal case against them for misleading prospective buyers of units in the Trump SoHo, a hotel and condo development that was failing to sell. Despite the best efforts of the siblings’ defense team, the case had not gone away. An indictment seemed like a real possibility. The evidence included emails from the Trumps making clear that they were aware they were using inflated figures about how well the condos were selling to lure buyers.

In one email, according to four people who have seen it, the Trumps discussed how to coordinate false information they had given to prospective buyers. In another, according to a person who read the emails, they worried that a reporter might be onto them. In yet another, Donald Jr. spoke reassuringly to a broker who was concerned about the false statements, saying that nobody would ever find out, because only people on the email chain or in the Trump Organization knew about the deception, according to a person who saw the email.

There was “no doubt” that the Trump children “approved, knew of, agreed to, and intentionally inflated the numbers to make more sales,” one person who saw the emails told us. “They knew it was wrong.”

In 2010, when the Major Economic Crimes Bureau of the D.A.’s office opened an investigation of the siblings, the Trump Organization had hired several top New York criminal defense lawyers to represent Donald Jr. and Ivanka. These attorneys had met with prosecutors in the bureau several times. They conceded that their clients had made exaggerated claims, but argued that the overstatements didn’t amount to criminal misconduct. Still, the case dragged on. In a meeting with the defense team, Donald Trump, Sr., expressed frustration that the investigation had not been closed. Soon after, his longtime personal lawyer, Marc Kasowitz entered the case.

Kasowitz, who by then had been the elder Donald Trump’s attorney for a decade, is primarily a civil litigator with little experience in criminal matters. But in 2012, Kasowitz donated $25,000 to the reelection campaign of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., making Kasowitz one of Vance’s largest donors. Kasowitz decided to bypass the lower level prosecutors and went directly to Vance to ask that the investigation be dropped.

On May 16, 2012, Kasowitz visited Vance’s office at One Hogan Place in downtown Manhattan — a faded edifice made famous by the television show, “Law & Order.” Dan Alonso, the chief assistant district attorney, and Adam Kaufmann, the chief of the investigative division, were also at the meeting, but no one from the Major Economic Crimes Bureau attended. Kasowitz did not introduce any new arguments or facts during his session. He simply repeated the arguments that the other defense lawyers had been making for months.

Ultimately, Vance overruled his own prosecutors. Three months after the meeting, he told them to drop the case. Kasowitz subsequently boasted to colleagues about representing the Trump children, according to two people. He said that the case was “really dangerous,” one person said, and that it was “amazing I got them off.” (Kasowitz denied making such a statement.)

Vance defended his decision. “I did not at the time believe beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime had been committed,” he told us. “I had to make a call and I made the call, and I think I made the right call.”

Just before the 2012 meeting, Vance’s campaign had returned Kasowitz’s $25,000 contribution, in keeping with what Vance describes as standard practice when a donor has a case before his office. Kasowitz “had no influence and his contributions had no influence whatsoever on my decision-making in the case,” Vance said.

But less than six months after the D.A.’s office dropped the case, Kasowitz made an even larger donation to Vance’s campaign, and helped raise more from others — eventually, a total of more than $50,000. After being asked about these donations as part of the reporting for this article — more than four years after the fact — Vance said he now plans to give back Kasowitz’s second contribution, too. “I don’t want the money to be a millstone around anybody’s neck, including the office’s,” he said.

[It's quite long so this is just some of it but the rest is worth a look at]

PerkingFaintly · 04/10/2017 13:35

Could you put a source or link, Pain?

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PerkingFaintly · 04/10/2017 13:37

Oh sorry, I suppose it will be in the New Yorker.

I was just being lazy.Grin

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