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Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/09/2017 01:20

My bet is on nothing.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3024189-In-the-dim-corner-we-have-Trump-In-the-dictator-corner-we-have-Kim-Or-is-that-mixed-up

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cozietoesie · 19/09/2017 00:29

We must await an accounting. November was it? Wink

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 01:20

Oh gosh, sleep must be hard to come by at chez manafort.

This isn't good Sad

@washingtonpost
Hurricane Maria intensifies to Category 5, poses severe threat to Caribbean and Puerto Rico

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2017/09/18/intensifying-hurricane-maria-is-a-severe-threat-to-caribbean-and-puerto-rico-jose-to-scrape-northeast-coast/

cozietoesie · 19/09/2017 01:25

I knew that Maria was intensifying but I didn't realise it was to a Cat 5. Poor Puerto Rico etc.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 01:26

Non paywalled link

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/18/americas/atlantic-storms-maria-jose-lee/index.html

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 01:34

Kyle Griffin
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
NYT: Don Jr. is giving up Secret Service protection, says he wants more privacy.

t.co/hsMqjgXTjk?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 06:25

Lauren Werner 🗽 @LaurenWern
.@NikkiHaley defends Trump's reckless terror tweets by saying he gets "emotional."

Emotional? More like irrational & impulsive. Dangerous.

mobile.twitter.com/LaurenWern/status/909930311856869377/video/1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 06:28

POLITICO @politico
White House announces partnership w/ pharmaceutical industry, delays opioid commission's top two recommendations t.co/ARBM0tACY5?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 06:42

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
THREAD: What does today's @nytimes story about the status of the Mueller investigation tell us?
1/ Today's @nytimes story provides us with a wealth of information about the state of the Mueller investigation that confirms much of what
2/ I told you in prior threads. It is jam packed with interesting information. Here is the link:
3/ Let's start with this revelation. Paul Manafort is a "target" of the investigation. For the first time, we now know the Mueller probe

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, then followed the house search with a warning: His prosecutors told Mr. Manafort they planned to indict him, said two people close to the investigation.

4/ will likely result in charges. More importantly, the tactic that Mueller is usingtelling Manafort that he will be chargedis generally
5/ used when prosecutors are trying to get a defendant to "flip." This strongly suggests what we've long expected--that Mueller is trying
6/ to "flip" Manafort. What causes a target to "flip"? The #1 factor is assembling sufficient evidence to make it likely that the person
7/ will be convicted and serve a prison sentence. Mueller's team is being as aggressive as possible to indicate to Manafort that he should
8/ be concerned about that possibility. Subpoenaing Manafort's aides and his lawyer (more on her later) shows his focus on Manafort.

Mr. Mueller has obtained a flurry of subpoenas to compel witnesses to testify before a grand jury, lawyers and witnesses say, sometimes before his prosecutors have taken the customary first step of interviewing them. One witness was called before the grand jury less than a month after his name surfaced in news accounts. The special counsel even took the unusual step of obtaining a subpoena for one of Mr. Manafort’s former lawyers, claiming an exception to the rule that shields attorney-client discussions from scrutiny.

9/ So why was Mueller able to subpoena Manafort's lawyer? Because she was not acting as a lawyer in that representation. A lawyer's
10/ words aren't automatically privileged just because he/she is a lawyer. If you hire a lawyer to act as a lobbyist or PR person, for
11/ example, your conversations with the lawyer are not privilege. There is only privilege where the lawyer is practicing law.
Mr. Mueller’s team also took the unusual step of issuing a subpoena to Melissa Laurenza, a specialist in lobbying law who formerly represented Mr. Manafort, according to people familiar with the subpoena. Conversations between lawyers and their clients are normally considered bound by attorney-client privilege, but there are exceptions when lawyers prepare public documents that are filed on behalf of their client.

12/ The story also confirms something I told you long ago--that the Manafort search warrant was a "no knock" warrant that required Mueller
13/ to show the judge that there was a reason to believe that Manafort would destroy evidence if they knocked on the door as usual.

It is unusual for a prosecutor to seek a search warrant against someone who, like Mr. Manafort, had already put his lawyer in contact with the Justice Department. No search warrants were executed during the investigations by Mr. Starr or Patrick J. Fitzgerald, a special counsel appointed during the George W. Bush administration to investigate the leak of the name of a C.I.A. officer.

To get the warrant, Mr. Mueller’s team had to show probable cause that Mr. Manafort’s home contained evidence of a crime. To be allowed to pick the lock and enter the home unannounced, prosecutors had to persuade a federal judge that Mr. Manafort was likely to destroy evidence.

14/ As I've told you before, the mere fact that Mueller used a search warrant indicates that he didn't trust Manafort to respond fully to a
15/ subpoena request. So why has Mueller been more trusting of the White House? See this excerpt:

For the moment, Mr. Mueller’s team has shown a measure of deference to White House officials, sparing them grand jury subpoenas and allowing them to appear for voluntary interviews. Those sessions are expected to begin soon. Ty Cobb, a lawyer brought in to manage the White House response to the inquiry, has told administration officials that he wants to avoid any subpoenas from the special prosecutor.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 06:44

perking I found the "uk government acting unethically/possibly illegally" story I half remembered upthread:

Colin Yeo @ColinYeo1
New post: Explainer: Can the Home Secretary really be guilty of contempt of court for breach of a court order?

www.freemovement.org.uk/explainer-can-home-secretary-really-guilty-contempt-court-breach-court-order/amp/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 06:50

There is another renato thread here:

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
THREAD: What does the explosive news that the FBI wiretapped Manafort and recorded calls between him and Trump mean for the investigation?

mobile.twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/909958501887352832

And then addendum here:

mobile.twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/909996665179967490

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 06:51

Caroline O. @RVAwonk
Hurricane Maria was a Category 1 in the AM. As of 8PM, it's a Category 5, making it one of the fastest intensifying hurricanes in history.

(Am no meteorologist but I believe this is a consequence of warmer waters)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 07:03

Bill Browder @Billbrowder
Rohrabacher going into a full scale political meltdown. He now claims Charlottesville was a liberal conspiracy

thedailybanter.com/.amp/2017/09/charlottesville-a-conspiracy-created-by-clinton-supporters/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 07:04

Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto
Remember what Russia's goals are:

olexander scherba @olex_scherba
Russia TV yesterday: Democracy is nothing but a modern religion. Its temples stand empty now & very soon will be abandoned for good.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 07:13

Seth Abramson's take on the manafort developments:

mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/909943916522278912

lionheart · 19/09/2017 07:47

Thanks for the Seth link and the others Pain.

Interesting times.

As an aside, it does not seem wise for Trump Jr's security decision to be made public. I'm sure he has his own security but even so.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/09/2017 08:15

If Don Jr is chafing at the security restraints just think how the Big Bad Don is feeling - trapped in a cage of his own making! Wink

badbadhusky · 19/09/2017 08:18

Its probably easier to skip town without a security service detail. Wink

lionheart · 19/09/2017 08:18

Unless he needs some time alone and freedom to do secret stuff. Smile

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 08:27

www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-rohingya-activists-say-facebook-silences-them?source=twitter&via=mobile

Exclusive: Facebook Silences Rohingya Reports of Ethnic Cleansing

PerkingFaintly · 19/09/2017 08:49

Shock That story about the Home Office and contempt of court, Pain.

Although I suppose I shouldn't really be surprised. They're the department sending threatening letters and ordering perfectly legal residents to leave the country. Then going, "Oh yeah, mistake, never mind," when caught.

Deportation and child removal threats - just for living legally in the UK
A Japanese woman living in London with her Polish husband tells how a two-year battle with the Home Office has turned her life upside down
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/18/fighting-the-home-office-womans-traumatic-two-year-battle-to-stay-in-uk

PerkingFaintly · 19/09/2017 08:57

And that story of Facebook, those great heroes of freedom of speechHmm, removing posts recording the persecution of the Rohingya.

BiglyBadgers · 19/09/2017 09:28

Don Jr will be perfectly safe with a security detail paid for by himself. One that is only loyal to the person paying their wages and has no troublesome obligations to mention to intelligence services should their charge get up to anything untoward. When he says "privacy" what he means is "ability to meet with dodgy Russians".

lionheart · 19/09/2017 09:47

I like to think that the ethnic cleansing would be at the top of the international agenda and actually, everyone's agenda but have zero expectations of Trump and his cronies.

It makes you realise how all of the Trumpery and the endless attention it is given (for good reasons but also because of his absurd behaviour and narcissism) gets in the way of what needs to be done in order to save lives.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/09/2017 10:19

Yes, definitely lionheart. The world hasn't stopped just because Trump is President and there are still pressing issues that need addressing.

On the other hand, I was a bit alarmed to see this. It certainly made me have an even greater appreciation for journalists!

Mark Follman‏Verified account
@markfollman
Interesting bit—apparently Mueller's team wasn't aware of Don Jr.'s emails regarding the 2016 Trump Tower meeting until NYTimes exposed them

Mr. Mueller took over the Russia investigation in May, after the F.B.I. had already spent nearly a year looking into connections between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russians. His team has occasionally been caught by surprise, hearing of possibly important information only when it is revealed in the news media.

This was the case in July, when Mr. Mueller’s prosecutors learned about email exchanges between Donald Trump Jr. and an emissary for a Kremlin-connected Russian oligarch only after they were disclosed in The New York Times, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity. Donald Trump Jr., the president’s son, set up the Trump Tower meeting to receive what he was told would be damaging information about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government.

lionheart · 19/09/2017 10:52

It would be interesting to know where the leaks originate and who is leaking wouldn't it?

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