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Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/09/2017 01:20

My bet is on nothing.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3024189-In-the-dim-corner-we-have-Trump-In-the-dictator-corner-we-have-Kim-Or-is-that-mixed-up

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cozietoesie · 21/09/2017 00:57

She has a moral compass and people recognise it.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/09/2017 01:02

Maybe we should introduce our respective 'dates' and Boris and Donnie can skip off off a cliff into their very own happily never ever after!!

Grin
cozietoesie · 21/09/2017 01:08

Maybe we should. Smile

It must be galling for Americans - those that think about 'out-of-state' matters - to realise that they have a POTUS who is only respected for the fact that he has the codes.

TheClaws · 21/09/2017 01:14

President Trump to African leaders: "I have so many friends going to your countries trying to get rich. I congratulate you."

Could he really have said this? You know, when my mother had early dementia, one of the signs was she had no 'filter'. She said whatever came into her head without any thought of the people she was talking to. Then again, he may have just been letting his arse mouth run away with him.

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cozietoesie · 21/09/2017 01:18

As far as I know, he said that.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 02:10

Kenneth P. Vogel
Kenneth P. Vogel @kenvogel
SCOOP: Manafort, struggling to pay legal bills, quietly working for Kurdish independence referendum opposed by U.S.

mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/us/politics/manafort-kurdish-referendum.html?_r=0&referer=

Manafort Working on Kurdish Referendum Opposed by U.S.

cozietoesie · 21/09/2017 02:27

I guess that none of them expected the eagle eye of the media on them. It won't stop either.

orlantina · 21/09/2017 07:06

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago
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The NRA strongly endorses Luther Strange for Senator of Alabama.That means all gun owners should vote for Big Luther. He won't let you down!

How does that logic work?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 07:13

A collection of manafort related (speculative) items:

Adam Khan @Khanoisseur
NYT scoop on Manafort missing crucial detail–Israel is backing Kurdish independence (see mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BO0QZ ) –are they paying Manafort?

(Rest of thread here mobile.twitter.com/Khanoisseur/status/910691149282631680 )

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Ex-CIA chief stuns Nicole Wallace: It’s ‘absolutely’ possible Russia ‘dispatched Manafort to the Trump campaign’

www.rawstory.com/2017/09/ex-cia-chief-stuns-nicole-wallace-its-absolutely-possible-russia-dispatched-manafort-to-the-trump-campaign/amp/

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Catherine Rampell @crampell
Remember how Trump bragged about getting Manafort's services for free? If you aren't paying, you're not the customer -- you're the product

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Lauren Werner 🗽
Lauren Werner 🗽 @LaurenWern

  1. Trump team didn't pay Manafort to run campaign
  2. For a decade, Manafort's taken TENS of MILLIONS of dollars from Kremlin-linked entities

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Scott Dworkin @funder
Russian who Manafort offered Trump campaign briefing to is $1.6 billion richer since election—this was back in March

www.forbes.com/sites/noahkirsch/2017/03/31/russian-billionaire-oleg-deripaska-paul-manafort-trump-net-worth-rises/

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Lauren Werner 🗽 @LaurenWern
It appears that they have enough evidence to indict Manafort for financial crimes. They're waving that over his head to get him to talk.
They likely want Manafort to spill about Russian activities in 2016 election, want to see if he can elaborate on the info they already have
If Mueller's team poured over all the FISA evidence & files they collected from Manafort, they know he knows more than he's willing to share
IMO, all of these recent leaks are likely designed to put more pressure on Manafort. Public pressure to hurt his reputation, get him 2 crack
Don't know if the leaks are coming from Mueller but I don't think it's a coincidence that all of this is leaking like a facet.
Some experts are saying that the leaks are coming from grand jurors or the defense lawyers themselves; that may be true, too.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 07:30

Russia weaponized Twitter to sway election

edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/09/20/pro-trump-twitter-accounts-weaponized-russia-us-election-ebof-pkg-griffin.cnn

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Twitter a growing focus of Senate Russia probe

Of particular interest is the prominence of bots on Twitter, and what role they may have played in making misleading campaign season tweets go viral.

www.politico.com/story/2017/09/20/senate-russia-investigation-twitter-role-242943

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 07:32

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Sheryl Sandberg announces new, strengthened Facebook ad targeting policies following recent scandals.

Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.
Is he Right, Left, or is He Nothing at All? Trump thread continued.
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 07:40

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨ @olgaNYC1211
Ukraine's President presents UN and the 🌎with Russian military docs of fighters invading Ukraine. When will the world stop Putins aggression

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Ukraine's Poroshenko rejects Russia's 'hybrid' peackeeping offer

mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BW04Q

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 07:42

@jkirchick
.@rt_com wants to spread Moscow's propaganda here. Let's treat it that way. Latest me in @posteverything

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/20/rt-wants-to-spread-moscows-propaganda-here-lets-treat-it-that-way/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 07:45

Preet Bharara joins CNN as senior legal analyst

www.politico.com/story/2017/09/20/preet-bharara-cnn-legal-analyst-242954

In addition to Bharara, CNN has also named Walter Shaub, the former director of the United States Office of Government Ethics, as a contributor. Upon resigning in July, Shaub said the U.S. government was now “pretty close to a laughingstock” when it came to ethics, a slide that could have global implications.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 07:49

Coulter: If we're not getting the wall, we may as well have an attractive dignified president [spoiler alert - she means pence Hmm ]

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/351622-coulter-if-were-not-getting-the-wall-we-may-as-well-have-an?amp

Lweji · 21/09/2017 11:03

Be surprised. Be very surprised.

Could the people at the EPA have persuaded Pruitt?

www.iflscience.com/policy/epas-scott-pruitt-finally-admits-humans-contribute-in-some-way-to-climate-change/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 12:33

John Harwood @JohnJHarwood
NBC/WSJ poll: Trump gains ground among non-college whites (now 58% approve/36% disapprove), loses ground among white college grads (39%-58%)

Wall Street Journal @WSJ
Trump’s job-approval rating edges up 3 percentage points to 43%

Celeste P. @Celeste_pewter
Keep this in the back of your mind. I have Dem strategist friends who are worried about the ramifications of this, in the leadup to 2020.
It's early-ish days, but some of those friends are already saying: "If he learns how to be bipartisan, he might very well get reelected."
(It's really not something for us to worry about at this very second, but learn how to watch for trends, combat against it, etc.)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 12:44

lweji I'm astounded! And on fox as well!

lettuceWrap · 21/09/2017 13:02

The trouble with Pruitt's comments there- he's repeating the idea that there's a Red team/Blue team divide between scientists on the question of human made climate change (and that therefore pro and anti views are equally valid).

Almost all the scientists are in the Red Team (i.e. They conclude, based of the best evidence we have, that humans are influencing climate and we need to do something about it because it's going to cause us a lot of problems if we don't).

The Blue Team has very few scientists on it's side, and there tends to be conflicts of interest when you look at their funding... fossil fuel lobby, and religion too.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 21/09/2017 13:43

Well, this could be interesting!

Spicer "documented everything" during campaign and after in "notebook after notebook." Mueller's best witness?
twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/910825492730834945

www.axios.com/axios-am-2487771195.html

Lweji · 21/09/2017 13:43

Small steps. :)

cozietoesie · 21/09/2017 13:57

Lordy. Despite the downside, ('To every silver lining there's a cloud',) that's still a Damascene Conversion for Pruitt.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 14:04

This chimes with Coulter's pushing of Pence

Tea Pain‏
@TeaPainUSA
Even though Paul "the Moscow Mule" Manafort helped Trump get elected, the bigger concern is that he handpicked Pence as the Kremlin's @VP.
Manafort hand-picked Pence for @VP because Russia wanted a solid ally in place in case the predictability unstable Trump was impeached.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 14:06

Manu Raju‏Verified account
@mkraju
Pence nuance: "I've made clear that during my time on the campaign, I was not aware of any contacts or any collusion with Russian officials"

Renato Mariotti‏Verified account
@renato_mariotti
Renato Mariotti Retweeted Manu Raju
Note that the Vice President does not deny that there was collusion with Russian officials or that he didn't become aware of it later.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 21/09/2017 14:08

Margaret Talev‏Verified account
@margarettalev
(1) Ty Cobb tells me re WaPo report:"It would be truly shocking" if true Paul Manafort "tried to monetize his relationship w the president."

Renato Mariotti‏Verified account @renato_mariotti

Renato Mariotti Retweeted Margaret Talev
Trump lawyer is on the attack against Manafort. Perhaps no pardon is forthcoming. Will that give Manafort an incentive to flip?

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