Do your family, friends, work colleagues, anyone ever discuss Brexit anymore?

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My family don't. None of my friends are interested. Nor are my work colleagues.

Was wondering if it ever comes up in anyone else's conversations.

Oh and I was talking to an American at a child's party whose company is closing down its EU UK base in Yorkshire and moving it to Germany so he is off to Germany taking his Academic partner with him to the dismay of the University. Neither of them want to go but it's happening.

rollergirl your dad was right! Not aligning yourself with Farage and a whole host of racists and xenophobes was one of the best reasons to vote Remain.

No, my industry has been affected by it already and a number of colleagues have returned to their home countries. A British colleague is emigrating to Canada because he fears he will no longer get the European funding he needs for his (medical) research. It's all very sad.

The Irish always had more rights here before the EU gave them any

I worry there's another global recession coming and within the EU we would be obliged to do so much that our economy would be negatively affected (obviously in a recession everyone suffers but as a main member of the EU I feel it would have disproportionately affected us if we had to bail out Italy for example) I don't want that liability.

I think the EU is on a road to over inflation, don't like what I see as the abuse of power and was worried about what it would mean for the UK if/when the EU builds a super army e.g. is it going to escalate tensions with Russia.

I'm was worried about how we're going to deal with terrorism with the courts being undermined on things like being unable to deport known terrorists. (Again not so bad at the moment but I think in the EU it would get worse)

I quite like having seperate countries with seperate culyures. I don't want to go to Spain, Italy, France and everything has blended into one - this isn't about people it's about culture. I quite like them being seperate but can understand if people feel more comfortable with full integration.

If imigration is cut and more jobs are available then there's more opportunities for our young people. Cutting immigration is likely to relieve pressure on housing and schooling.

I don't see a big super state that the EU is becoming as the way forward, I think it's too risky, I think we're treated badly in the EU and could only see it getting worse. My main driver is having some protection from EU financial issues although I appreciate as I said above we will be impacted somewhat whatever.

In short I think the EU is a bad corrupt institution and not fit for purpose

Yoko - if a horrible rapist voted labour would it stop you voted labour??(or whatever party you vote for)
I'm sure Farage celebrates Xmas maybe you should stop so you're not associated with him..

There was only 2 choices, either way you voted you were going to be in the company of some stupid and horrible people

It's a ridiculous reason, thats more to do with how they would be labelled by others or themselves than the issues/arguments/facts

I quite like having seperate countries with seperate culyures. I don't want to go to Spain, Italy, France and everything has blended into one

Why on earth would they blend into one or lose their culture or identities as nations from being in the EU? That hasn't happened in the past 60 years of the EU and it's predecessor so why would it suddenly happen now? Do you have any evidence to suggest it is happening?

I suspect the future of the EU is not the terrifying one you envision, Rollergirl. My suspicion is that we will continue to see standards of living rise in countries within the EU and the standard of living for many within the UK to fall.

The picture you paint of the EU came with another whole dollop of narrative attached. In this one, we were going to jump ship quickly because the EU was a precarious structure, with countries all set to topple out of the EU in a domino effect. That certainly didn't happen. I suspect that the rest of the "The EU is a catastrophe!!!" fairystory isn't going to come true, either.

I think it's the way the future is going with the EU trying to merge countries into one super state. I think there's a feeling in the UK that you can't be patriotic (not saying that's the fault of anyone in the EU but it's a definite thing of politically correctness gone mad) I'd quite like to restablish our identity and individualism as a nation rather than as Europeans as regain some of that national pride. I appreciate others may not feel this way.

Maybe not thecat. But that's what I believe, maybe I'm just rather pessimistic.

Either way I'm glad everyone had a chance to have a say and think no1 should automatically label anyone as wrong for voting the opposite way. It's too complex a topic to be able to truely understand someone else's motives imo.

With that I'm off to bed, not running away from questions I've been asked but I'm tired now so I'll leave you to discuss further

But I have national pride. I loved the C21 UK. I loved the fact that I lived in a city that was a world city, leading the way in a number of fields.

I find it odd that you feel something needs to be done to create a culture to be proud of. That is, you don't like the UK as it is.

This leads me to suspect that a lot of people who voted Brexit really didn't like the modern UK at all.

Wishing you a good night, Rollergirl .

for me it is something we talk about daily, I live in France so the implications for me and my family are huge. The complexities of leaving are mind boggling, I worry for my family in the UK

Comes up at work. A LOT. Because, presumably like every other business in the country we will be impacted by it, and are trying to contingency plan, work out how to mitigate the (sizeable) risks, and also try to work out what opportunities (if any) it brings us and how we maximise those. Had rather assumed most businesses would be doing this (certainly the majority of the firms my friends work for are) so am genuinely quite surprised some people are finding that no one around them is talking about it.

I agree with Rollergirl. My friends are roughly 50/50 leave/remain. The remainers are talking about it constantly whilst the leavers are keeping their powder dry...

This leads me to suspect that a lot of people who voted Brexit really didn't like the modern UK at all.

I think that's a fair assumption. I'm very patriotic. I love being British. I don't want to be thinking about contingency plans or emigrating, because I want to continue living here. It's precisely because I'm patriotic that I don't want to see this massive act of self-sabotage go ahead, because I can no longer see how it can ever have anything other than a mediocre outcome at best and a catastrophic one at worst. I'm no fan of the EU as an institution. But voting to leave is nothing like deciding whether or not to join. We're in it, we're a successful nation as part of it, and I just don't believe we can extract ourselves from it without a lot of economic and financial pain. And that means pain for people.

"I quite like having seperate countries with seperate culyures. I don't want to go to Spain, Italy, France and everything has blended into one - this isn't about people it's about culture."

Ah. Sorry. I see now. I am married to a black person so we are never ever going to even be on the same page. You keep England for the whites and rock on then.

You are claiming the labels for yourself. Dont complain when others call you out on it.

I find it interesting that so many people are bringing up that their jobs are affected. Who cared about all the ex workers whose jobs were lost to Poland when the Cadbury jobs were moved there in 2007? Even more interesting that post brexit vote they've now announced production is returning to the uk.

Not with people I know voted for Brexit. They are all elderly relatives who voted for a bunch of crazy reasons like 'I didn't want any more austerity' I'm not going to change their minds. It's more of an emotive response than a local one and I accept that my pro Brexit feelings are similarly emotive. No one will ever change their minds on either side of the argument. With DH or at work where we can all see Brexit is a disaster of epic proportions about to unfold sure, but none of us feels we can do much about it. It's all a bit hopeless

I find it interesting that so many people are bringing up that their jobs are affected. Who cared about all the ex workers whose jobs were lost to Poland when the Cadbury jobs were moved there in 2007?

Presumably the people whose jobs were affected then cared? Why is it interesting that people who are being personally affected are more concerned than they were about a situation they weren't personally affected by?

Yes, all the time.
I'm a EU citizen living here for the past 17 years so I would like to know what's gonna happen to me...the lack of clarity worries me.
At work we talk about it all the time too.
With my family (Inlaws) not so much as all they do is tell me "You'll be alright", and it pisses me off when people say that! How do they know I'll be alright??

What was interesting about the Cadbury thing was that the new owners lied about their intentions to get the take-over approved. That is nothing to do with the EU. And the production of what was moved isnt coming back because of Brexit. It was made in Poland for a while as the UK plant couldnt cope with the demand for Dairy Milk products across the range.

I suppose leavers get to complain about Cadbury pre-brexit and remainers get to complain about companies leaving cause of Brexit. In the long term I wonder which act will have a greater negative impact.

Because when workers were having their jobs stripped from them no one listened. It only became important when Remainers jobs might be affected. For me that's interesting - loss of jobs made some people vote brexit, and some others voted remain to try to preserve theirs.

Because when workers were having their jobs stripped from them no one listened

So the people now voting Leave didn't give a shit either then?

"I quite like having seperate countries with seperate culyures. I don't want to go to Spain, Italy, France and everything has blended into one - this isn't about people it's about culture."

This is exactly the sort of nonsense that discredits Brexiteers