AIBU to think that M&S shouldn't be selling modesty shorts.

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Knickers cover bottoms. Are knickers now so unseemly that girls need to wear a second layer in case A MAN should see a glimpse of white elasticated pants? Are they fuck.

They remind me of the navy knickers we used to wear under our hockey skirts.

I liked those knickers, despite the nylon. They covered far more than the regulation PE shorts we had to wear.

In Australia they are called monkey bar knickers and very popular they are too for the rows of kids who like to hang upside down on the monkey bars.

My girls (nearly 17 and nearly 20) always wear shorts under skirts and dresses if they're floaty.

DD2 wears shorts under her school skirt as shes so slim in the waist she wears an age 13 skirt but she's tall so it's a bit too short for comfort.

It's always been their decision and never something we've forced them into but they feel more confident that way.

Modest shorts is a way better name than scungies which is what they are called in Australia.

I teach an after school class to 5 6-year-old girls (not gym but quite active) and they all wear them. It doesn't bother me. If I'm wearing a skirt I wear leggings under it too. I don't think anyone wants to see my pants either.

Oh, and the girls always come dressed in Disney dresses or skirts. I don't think they want to wear trousers or shorts.

I wear a longer version under skirts in summer to prevent thigh chafing. Skorts are great for traveling in hot countries. Glad these pants are available, If it is comfy, doesn't ride up your butt and therefore gives confidence to run around and be active no matter what you're wearing, then I am for it.
I don't understand this "your pants should be enough" thing TBH. I don't say that to DS when I am getting him ready to go out.
If that was the case, we would all go to the office in our underwear in hot weather, and we don't, do we?

My 6yo DD would cry if I told her she has to go to school in trousers. Whereas I used to cry if my mum put me in a dress.
Some girls love being girly. There's nothing wrong it!

My 6yo asked for them. She didn't wear pants under them though. IMHO they are knickers that looks like shorts. They are sold in the underwear section. You can say it's shorts over pants, or just pants that look like shorts?

School can solve the problem too if there are skorts available. Like the brownies uniform. My 6yo will not wear trousers to school.

I'm just going to say it again. They are NOT sportswear. They're sold as underwear to be worn under normal dresses or skirts

Why can't they be worn as sports wear?
Does it state 'cannot be used as sportswear'?
Lots of things are sold as one things yet have other uses.
These were what we all wore under our gym skirts.

Other than the name, I think you're getting het up over nothing OP.

They're just shorts. Lots of women where short-type knickers.

And they are very useful for primary-aged girls who develop much younger these days.

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BTW at our primary school (in Aus) the uniform is a logo polo shirt, navy shorts/skorts/skirts and an optional dress.
No indication which sex should wear which outfit- kids can chose.

Even so lots of girls STILL chose skirts and monkey bar knickers.

(no boys wearing dresses but I feel it is not far off with the very hot summers, then boys will opt for monkey bar undies)

Think they should be renamed to under shorts. Modesty shorts doesn't sit well with me.

Is this for the cartwheels thread the other day? Makes me really sad.

My daughter wears cycle shorts (exact same thing, but we call them cycle shirts) under her school summer dresses. Not a big deal, not worthy of an outcry, she just always has. She spent her pre school and reception years in New Zealand and lots of the girls wore these, or skorts. Totally normal. There were monkey bars, climbing frames and fields to cartwheel in, these shorts made tucking your school dress in your knickers so you can hang upside down without your dress hanging in your face much easier according to dd.

Name might be a bit pants but my DD would love these... she is not a lover of skirts but wears one for school and, particularly since she hit puberty, wears athletics shorts under her school skirt, which isn't short, as it makes her feel more secure (her words). She has always not wanted the world to see her knickers though (never bothered me as a kid so not from me) and so, as an active kid who loved hanging upside down from the monkey bars etc, she persuaded her headteacher when she was about 8 that girls should be allowed to wear tailored shorts and polos like the boys in summer as it was more practical than dresses! stealthboast, sorry

You know what would be even better at dealing with upskirting than wearing extra knickers? If upskirting could actually be dealt with properly by the police/courts.

Dealing with it properly in the courts doesn't actually stop people doing it though does it? It just means you get punished if you get caught.

My youngest wears them. Not the m&s ones though. She nd her friends all do handstands, cartwheels etc and even wearing the big niks 8-10 year olds wear, I'd seen bits of my dd's undercarriage as her knickers didn't quite cover when she was in full stretch in practice cartwheels at home. The shorts mean they can go ahead and do whatever with confidence about not showing off inner bits.

Calling them cycling shorts or monkey bar shorts (LOVE that name) means that what should matter to girls is cycling or playing on monkey bars.

Calling them modesty shorts means that what should matter to girls is modesty. And fuck that.

M&S can sell whatever they want, OP, you are not queen of the police state!

YANBU, things like this should not be available and certainly should not be part of a uniform.

The only problem I have is the name. Please, ban the fucking word from the English language, especially when referring to usually girls' or women's clothing. Ugh.

But those just look like stretchy gym shorts to me. We had to wear them at my convent school, in lovely bottle green, either in the gym teamed with an airtex top, or under our kilts outdoors for hockey or netball.

I have a DD3 in primary school; I don't bother with shorts under her skirt, so I get what the OP is saying. I wouldn't think of them as anything other than - shorts.

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Really good point about periods /San pro

I remember feeling awkward that people could tell, or knickers weren't holding things tightly enough or "wings" were somehow sticking out. Would be useful for that, especially as girls start younger these days

I agree the name needs to be changed. But the product is fab and according to the size guide the seam free shorts age 15-16 will fit me so I am going to get some for when I am on my period. Great!