Religion

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There have been a few threads in regards to religion and without exception there are always a few posters who cannot help themselves from being disrespectful.

Is it difficult to get a point across without a slight dig? Criticism is part of a healthy discussion but to be so rude about something that is very important to some. ..is it really needed?
I've never felt the need to be rude about anyones belief no matter how strange I find it to be.

So basically aibu in expecting respect in any conversation

I don't suppose I'd have liked sky fairy or 'imaginary friend' when I was an earnest young Christian ( for which reason I don't like them now) but I'm not sure I'd have minded 'Invisible friend' because , well, Jesus was my friend and, 'immortal, invisible, God only wise' ... accurate description? maybe that one depends on the 'tone'?

Some people think Jews should go to hell or that Muslims = end of the world because their religious faith tells them that. Do I respect their views. No. No I do not.

Sound like thats a problem with catholics not recognising and renouncing their privileges, and discriminating against other religions.
Hardly privileged at all. There was one catholic high school in my town. We were far from privileged, and we certainly didn't "discriminate" about anyone.

Sound like thats a problem with catholics not recognising and renouncing their privileges, and discriminating against other religions.

I don't understand why this is particular to catholics. It's not like we are having an easy time of getting the anglicans to give up their privileges.

Hardly privileged at all. There was one catholic high school in my town. We were far from privileged, and we certainly didn't "discriminate" about anyone.

is that in the UK? because, from what I can tell, all religious schools here discriminate.

I don't understand why this is particular to catholics.
In general its not, I was commenting on a specific issue with catholic privilege in 'secular' France someone had raised.

"Hardly privileged at all. There was one catholic high school in my town. We were far from privileged, and we certainly didn't "discriminate" about anyone." Really? How did it manage that?

because, from what I can tell, all religious schools here discriminate.

The undersubscribed ones don't. Any state school is required to take anyone who applies up to their max intake, but they have a priority list. These can be quite complex, but the result is that oversubscribed schools can discriminate against children based on whether they're baptised and/or their parents have sufficient church attendance, whereas poor ones ( and despite the impression the supporters of faith schools like to project, there are plenty of these) basically take whoever ends up being allocated to them.

Good, huh.

Catholics have been persecuted through the ages. Hardly privileged.

In my area, the thing about the RC schools is that they're generally in the poorer parts of town - its the CofE ones which are deemed 'good' and so discriminate. Its entirely possible to have an underprivileged RC school which doesn't discriminate.

In fact, when we first moved here, we were appalled (being secularists who don't want the children of religious parents discriminated against either) to find that children baptised as catholic who'd been to a catholic primary were given lowest priority at non RC secondaries. This was, I'm glad to say, done away with (~20 years ago).

Xpost - but yes, catholics in the UK have suffered from the existence of the established church as much as any other non CofE

If you decide to believe in something as ridiculous as a god then it need to be repudiated with an equal amount of ridicule.

YOU believe faith to be ridiculous. I don't. This line of thinking can easily be extended. So lets say I believe you look ridiculous in a pair of jeans. You may think you look great. How about a round of mocking to put you in your place eh?

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork” (19:1). “The whole earth is full of His glory” (Isaiah 6:3). Both the heavens and the Earth testify day after day and night after night to anyone and everyone who will listen (Psalm 19:2-4). “Lift up your eyes on high, and see Who has created these things” (Isaiah 40:26).

And that has added so much To the discussion, rose. How to RTFT, eh.

If you decide to believe in something as ridiculous as a god then it need to be repudiated with an equal amount of ridicule.
That didn't add much neither. Statements like that need repudiating.

"If you decide to believe in something as ridiculous as a god then it need to be repudiated with an equal amount of ridicule.
That didn't add much neither. Statements like that need repudiating."

Then repudiate it.

I don't think there is much disagreement on the thread. Most people whether atheist or not are perfectly happy that people can put forward their points of view.

On the suggestion og Catholic "privilege" that is not really a thing in the UK. Catholics have tended to be poorer and looked down on even after it became something that led to your being killed by the state for. Many RC schools are under subscribed in poorer areas with some exceptions of course. The one attached to my mother's church (poor part of the NE had trouble filling places, never mind only taking Catholics!)

I just did.

"I just did"

Oh. That was repudiation to you? Proof of the existence of God provided from a book written by people who believed in God. Fair enough. Let's hope you're never on a jury, eh?

Yes - its quite obviously different in the UK to somewhere like France. I suppose there's a small elite group of Catholics (they've got schools like Stoneyhurst and Ampleforth) , but I think in my area its mostly the descendants of poor Irish immigrants.

The statement "if you decide to believe in something as ridiculous as a God" wasn't deserving of anything that stirred me to say anything more taxing. It was an equal response imo and repudiated an ill thought out and goady comment.

errol catholics in this country come from two kinds of stock, I think.

Upper class, maybe from families who have stayed catholic from since before Henry VIII. Hence schools like Stoneyhurst.

Immigrants. Obviously first and foremost the Irish, who built the schools and churches, (Which is why they are often in poor areas) but also French, Italian, Polish and now from the wider world such as the Philippines.

Over the years of course, some of the Immigrants have moved up the ladder to be middle class, and some of the uppers have come down to middle class.

On the suggestion of Catholic "privilege" that is not really a thing in the UK. Catholics have tended to be poorer and looked down on even after it became something that led to your being killed by the state for. Many RC schools are under subscribed in poorer areas with some exceptions of course

I think it depends a lot on where you are. That might be true in the west of Scotland I really don't think that applied to the east coast or the north-east. My family was Catholic in rural Aberdeenshire. I don't think they had any experience of being looked down on.

The undersubscribed ones don't. Any state school is required to take anyone who applies up to their max intake, but they have a priority list.

indeed. Sounds like discrimination to me.

YOU believe faith to be ridiculous. I don't.

are you sure? Do you believe in faith in other parts of life? Science? I think people should be honest about what faith is. Faith is literally belief without sufficient evidence. that's all it is. I don't see why it's a good thing in determining morals but not scientific facts.

Faith is literally belief without sufficient evidence. that's all it is. I don't see why it's a good thing in determining morals but not scientific facts
Well atheism has a belief that we all evolved from nothing. Absolutely no evidence of that, scientists can't explain how something can come from nothing, and yet atheists are blindly following that even though science tells us it can't happen.