Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

My appearance is pretty gendered - I find dresses far more comfortable than trousers (aspie, issues with waistbands) and they fit me better. I have long hair, I often wear makeup (although not always)

On the other hand I work in a fairly male dominated industry and company, I'm the breadwinner in our family, travel for work, never do school drop off or pickup...I'm awesome at DIY, very mathematical and logical, no problems reading a map. Day to day I probably do more statistically male stuff than female.

But I look like a woman, and that means I get all the prejudice that goes with it. We don't get to opt out of it.

Sounds like a plan. Now how to implement it.....

But I look like a woman, and that means I get all the prejudice that goes with it. We don't get to opt out of it.

That's exactly it. Today I didn't put on a dress and makeup. But I was paid less for the same work, was interrupted and spoken over by men, and continued to live in a country where, if I were unwillingly pregnant, I would legally be forced to give birth to the child. That's how I lived as a woman today.

Agree . The only way to be "living as a woman" is to be a woman. Other than putting on some makeup today, and wearing traditionally "feminine" underwear, there is nothing that has differed between my day and DH's. We are both wearing trousers. a jumper, socks, flat shoes. We've done the same things. He is now in Tesco doing the food shop and then he is going to make supper. We'll probably both go for a walk. The whole "living as " the opposite sex is a nonsense dating from an era when the sex's roles were more divided. Even then I would take a punt that the men transitioning and "living as women" weren't cleaning up sick and scrubbing nappies, but instead wearing silk frocks, a girdle and nice, unladdered hosiery. Biology again eh. Inescapable.
And don't get me started on the ridiculous attention-seeking "non-binary". Every single person I've ever met is non-bloody-binary. Except for their sex. Unless you have a chromosomal abnormality , and many of those only apply to one sex or the other. (Eg Turner Syndrome). all non-binary means is liking some traditionally feminine and some more blokish things , like ALL OF US.

Exactly. Wouldn't matter what makeup I wore, how I dressed, what my haircut was...I am clearly female regardless of all of that.

Daily Mail reader gosh what a surprise. Attitudes like those of those parents and you are why trans teens kill themselves.

You happy with that? Guess you are.

I just knew what kind of post I was going to see when I saw your name toconclude. Welcome back btw.

You might want to read up the thread a bit - particularly the posts where a transwoman discusses the lack of mental health treatment available for young trans people because of the current trans orthodoxy.

There are multiple reasons why trans teens both commit suicide and attempt suicide toconclude, usually a combination of very complex mental health issues and being unable to access appropriate support for it.

I know when I attempted suicide several times in my teens it was a result of a complex mixture of feeling like there was no escape and suicide seemed like an easy way for me to get 'out' (I've put out in inverted commas because I didn't always necessarily want to die, I just wanted to be out of my body). That along with the fact I didn't really understand what was happening to me or why I'd been born with this body that seemed so wrong and out of place.

It wasn't as simple as 'people's attitudes' towards me, although that sometimes did and does make me feel like crap. But even then it wasn't people refusing to acknowledge the fact that I couldn't change sex or telling me I wasn't really a girl who had been born in the wrong body or any of the other lines that get thrown out as some kind of explanation for it. It was more the attitudes of a small number of people like the man in the bar who smashed a bottle on my head and called me a revolting tranny that was the problem.

Obviously I would prefer it that a child is not withdrawn from school but the only other option would be to expel the child who was addressing gender identity issues, which would have been cruel and damaging.

I find religions of all flavours tend to be short on compassion and quick to judgement. Maybe why they keep digging up bodies out of sites where religions have run orphanages.

Or in the case of when I was a teen, the three boys who thought it would be hilarious to pin me against a wall and lift my skirt up and try to pull my underwear down.

Why not address people like that?

I'm also not sure how it's our fault if trans teens kill themselves. We're not the ones getting rid of mental health support for them when they're clearly vulnerable.

This is the same as parents refusing to send there child to a school with a colored child, a girl, a Muslim child, a homosexual child, a HIV infected child... this is just one more wall to knock down.

I dont imagine the child or the parents have chosen anything, a child just is what it is naturally. And if they aren't bullied by religious bigotry will grow up happy. Alternatively they could suppress the child's true nature and wait until they commit suicide as a teenager.

I don't think anyone has agreed with the issues of actually wearing a dress, and nobody proposes expelling the child. Most posters simply don't believe that the school's approach and their transphobia policy (which calls it transphobic to not believe a boy is really female and vice versa) is correct.

We should allow children to dress, play, express how they want. We shouldn't tell those children or their peers that they are the opposite sex.

A 'colored child'?

It's not really a very Christian attitude, but I would be quite annoyed if some in trend parents were sending their son to school in a dress demanding the boy is referred to as she etc. Far too confusing for the kids and forcing small children to confront adult topics. If a primary schoolchild has a penis they are a boy. Let kids grow up a bit before they have to be confused by this sort of thing. Yes it's political correctness gone bonkers again (I'll give myself 2min before the mumsnet lefties Starr telling me I'm evil, apparently their belief in diversity and opinions only stretches to on trend matters)

Or in the case of when I was a teen, the three boys who thought it would be hilarious to pin me against a wall and lift my skirt up and try to pull my underwear down.

Oh, I am sure they were radical feminists or inspired to their violence by reading a radical feminist blog. Somehow. Surely that's what happened.

[Sarcasm]

You know, it amazes me every time that the transactivists don't even have a slur for men who do that sort of thing. Just for radical feminists. And the transactivist's female allies, who consider themselves feminists, never even think about why that might be so.

This is the same as parents refusing to send there child to a school with a colored child, a girl, a Muslim child, a homosexual child, a HIV infected child... this is just one more wall to knock down.

Userwhocouldnotthink i said it before to you - nobody here has anything against the poor kid involved. Nobody is discriminating against the kid. Nobody wants the kid to be unhappy.

What is damaging to the kid involved is to be told a lie that they can change their sex by putting on a dress. Why not let this kid dress however he likes, without forcing other kids to participate in the lie that he changes sex every couple of days?

And what of the gild at the school, forced to collude with an ideology that oppresses him? Don't you care about those kids at all?

girls not gild

Curry- I had that happen to me as a teenager too. Three grown men (in their 20s, I was 15) pinned me down at a party and tried to rip off my dress, (a halter neck). It was horrible, and I somehow felt it was my fault, so I sympathise deeply.

Speaking of comorbid mental health issues, if you have journal access this looks like an interesting read:.

Psychosocial and psychiatric vulnerability in adolescents with gender dysphoria: A “proof of principle” study. JSMT, 2017, 43, 678-88

I have attached an abstract but I suspect you may not be able to read it after MN has mangled the upload.

Oops, reads fine, sorry MN

Curry and vix - me three. Final year at primary school, two boys tried to pull my trousers down. I fought like a bastard to get them off me. Thank god we were all pre-pubescent so I was on an equal footing in terms of physical strength. It's shit isn't it?

What is damaging to the kid involved is to be told a lie that they can change their sex by putting on a dress.

Where is the lie? I bet the 6 yo doesn't even understand the concept of changing sex. They are just being who they are.

forcing other kids to participate in the lie

You mean like forcing kids to stop calling another child a n*r? (apologies). Yes in school, its school rules. And if it is decided you call someone Jane rater than Jim then kids will get it in 60 seconds. Where is the lie?