Political correctness gone mad - parents under fire from withdrawing their child from school after male class mate wears a dress.

[ThaiRedCurry]

Ok so just catching up with my mail online news before bed. I've seen a Christian couple have withdrawn their son from school due to his male, 6 year old class mate wearing a dress to school.
They where on This Morning and have come under fire from viewers and the presenters for their decision to remove their son from the school as they don't agree with a boy wearing a dress.
I will just say I would find it a little odd but wouldn't withdraw my child from school.
I can't help but feel that if another race/religion did the same thing they wouldn't come under fire. It's as if white British folk are trying to be so politically correct we no longer can see what is ok and what isn't incase we offend some one.
I feel political correctness has gone mad 😖
I'm now going to sit and wait for Mums net abuse to roll in.

StatisticallyChallenged

No, I know! I was going to put a disclaimer that I'm sure you agree, but then I thought I'd better not assume what you're thinking!

I'm not sure I believe that the school has said the six year magically transforms into a girl on wearing a dress and the other children have to accept that. It doesn't sound real to me and in every interview I've seen of the parents they are very hung up on the dress issue.

I could believe they said something the lines of 'When Alex wears X or does Z, Alex feels like a girl so let's be kind and treat them like a girl' as a previous poster mentioned but I don't think anyone is expecting the children to believe that Alex's penis drops off every time they put a dress on.

As far as the wider issue goes, this is a six year old. There is no wider issue. This child is not a predator or an Olympian sports person trying to get in the women's race. They are a child. The wider issue does need talking about (calmly and sensitively) but it's not relevant to this case.

I think the wider issue is relevant when you see the school's statement which outlines their position on what they class as transphobia.

Although, thinking more about it, the wider issue, in this case to me would be how driven by the child's parent's this is and the labeling of a child. Six seems very young to have such a concrete view of gender and sex.

I've known many six year olds identify as mermaids or cats. It's nice to play along with them but you wouldn't take to them to vet and have them micro-chipped and neutered.

If Alex wants to wear dresses and call himself Kimberly, fine but it shouldn't go any further than that until he is of an age where he has a firmer understanding of gender and sex and transgenderism.

I agree that it's unfair to trans people in general to consider that these people are representative.

I agree with this entirely - but these horrible men are now the poster faces of trans activism, when trans activists can denounce both feminists and other transwomen for rejecting Wolsht and his ilk, and when Pink News can make a story about a male rapist raping women in prison all about how awful it is that this male rapist was "deadnamed".

These aren't outliers. They are the people setting the agenda. These violent, abusive men have recast themselves as the oppressed, and the kind of old-school transwomen who just want to live their lives, and who are brave enough to reject this kind of nonsense (not to mention all the transmen who still quietly use women's bathrooms because they know they aren't safe in the men's) are the ones who are called "truscum", "bigots" and no-platformed.

It would certainly be 'nicer and kinder' to individualise this case - dress-objecting bigots whisking their darling away from an innocent six-year-old, and who is she harming by being a girl anyway? But that would be a gateway (and I have no doubt that this is exactly what some elements want) to acceptance of much less palatable things.

A bit like individualising gender, instead of seeing it as the damaging structure in which we are all forced to operate, has led us to this mess in the first place.

Petition here

For those who are interested there is a petition here which fully sets out the situation regarding the child in the op.

A Christian family is preparing to take legal action against a school for allowing children to change their “gender identity”.
Nigel and Sally Rowe have removed their six-year-old son from the school after a classmate was declared “transgendered” and came to school demanding to be recognised as female on some days.
Mr. Rowe told The Sunday Times: “A child aged six would sometimes come to school as a girl or sometimes come to school as a boy. Our concerns were raised when our son came back home from school saying he was confused as to why and how a boy was now a girl.
“We believe it is wrong to encourage very young children to embrace transgenderism, boys are boys and girls are girls. Gender dysphoria is something we as Christians need to address with love and compassion, but not in the sphere of a primary school environment.”
However, the school has defended its behaviour by claiming pupils are protected under the Equalities Act of 2010 and stating: “The refusal to acknowledge a transgendered person’s true gender” was “transphobic behaviour”.
The couple have already appeared before a hostile media (here and here) who are apparently unable to understand why anyone might have a problem with this.
The problem is that by endorsing one child’s gender confusion, the school is thereby imparting a lesson to all the other pupils i.e. that it is really possible for a boy to become a girl and for a girl to become a boy. This is a profound redefinition of reality which the vast majority of people simply do not accept, and these parents are perfectly entitled to object to this falsity which is being taught to their children.
The school and those critical of the parents are apparently completely oblivious to how the schools actions completely undermine the authority of parents, and how it is not the project of education to advance extremely contentious theories about gender – including the idea that sex and gender are two distinct and unrelated things, that gender can be fluid, that gender can change, that boys can become girls and girls can become boys.
The promotion of transgender ideology particularly among children has become very fashionable among progressive elites particularly in the media. This is despite the fact that 70%-80% of children who expressed transgender feelings eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty.
The vast majority of people reject an ideology which says that men can become women and women can become men, and also recognise it is profoundly wrong to force this ideology on children especially without the consent of their parents.
Proponents of this redefinition of reality imply that unless parents completely endorse this ideology, bullying will result. Yet as this family are absolutely clear, no form of bullying is acceptable and simply disagreeing with an ideology is not a form of exclusion.
The couple are right to take a stand against this creeping statism, which sees the state expanding ever further into family life.
Please sign this petition in support of this family as they fight to oppose the redefinition of reality

I'm not sure I believe that the school has said the six year magically transforms into a girl on wearing a dress and the other children have to accept that. It doesn't sound real to me and in every interview I've seen of the parents they are very hung up on the dress issue.

Transgenderist agenda does claim that males magically transform into women by having invisible and unprovable genderfeelz. The dress is not required, but is seen as expression of genderfeelz.

If "Let's be kind and treat him like a girl" means "let him use the girls' toilets" - which it MUST mean, because there is no other way to "treat him like a girl" - then it DOES mean pretending that his penis fell off and he is suddenly of the female SEX.

If this was just about allowing the boy to wear a dress, the school could just say "Ok, this boy likes to wear dresses, and that's okay! No bullying!" and be done.

Those parents are hung up on the dress issue because they are conservative Christians and that's probably the only reason they have been interviewed - they make themselves look bad and make transgenderism look good.
If it was atheist parents who don't want their child to be forced to pretend to believe in genderism, they'd probably not get so much media coverage.

You dont like trans children so you sue the school? Aren't Christians supposed to be nicer than this!

You dont like trans children so you sue the school

Who the hell has said they "don't like trans children". userwhocouldntthink?

I don't like adults teaching children the lie that changing their clothes can change their sex, or the lie that it's possible to change sex at all. I don't like adults shoving children into gendered boxes more suitable for 1955 than 2017, the second they step out of line with that those adults feel is "appropriate" for what boys do or what girls do. I don't like adults pushing the idea that gender nonconforming children, some of who will turn out to be gay if left to get on with their lives, that they are "really" the opposite sex. I don't like gay conversion therapy. I don't like putting children on the road to a lifetime of medical intervention and sterility, and for a substantial number, regret.

The kids themselves? They're grand.

The concept of identifying as the opposite sex meaning that you are in fact the opposite sex has profound implications (being completely nonsensical, notwithstanding).

It is certainly a well trodden path in terms of the ideology.

And will earn you the title of terf, transphobe and bigot, if you disagree. Not for genuine transsexuals like Miranda Yardley, (but unfortunately they are now few and far between.)

It has led to the concept of the cotton ceiling. A play on glass ceiling and representing the underwear of women, particularly lesbians (they can't really pick on straight women, because they identify as women themselves. So that would make a straight woman a 'lesbian').

The cotton ceiling is something for men who identify as women to 'break through' to access sex.

So despite having a penis, the body is female and should always be viewed as such, specifically in terms of lesbians who will be considered transphobic for not wanting sex with a man.

This is part of an email exchange between a lesbian and a transwoman.

Trans women are female. When our female-ness and womanhood is denied, as you keep doing repeatedly, that is transphobic and transmisogynist. As I said earlier, all people’s desires are influenced by an intersection of cultural messages that determine those desires. Cultural messages that code trans women’s bodies as male are transphobic, and those messages influence people’s desires. So cis queer women who are attracted to other queer women may not view trans women as viable sexual partners because they have internalized the message that trans women are somehow male.

Being male is a cultural code, not a biological fact.

Full exchange here:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/factcheckme.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/the-cotton-ceiling-really/amp/

they have internalized the message that trans women are somehow male.

Or maybe they just recognise the physical reality that they are, you know, male?

Mmmm I do think that having a boy of 6 wearing a dress to school might be the latest fashion for on trend parents.

He's bloody 6! I agree with Frequency it's far too young for him to be making decisions like this.

I shudder to think that teenage boys can shove on a dress, say they feel female and access female toilets and changing rooms my dds use and should feel safe in.

There is no way it can be down to the child. If they are flitting between genders, they're non-binary (or dual binary?). What six-year-old understands what non-binary means?

Clearly doesn't have gender dysphoria. Unless they only develop symptoms every other day.

It's the parents.

It's the parents.

I concur. At 6 years, with parents who don't understand biology, his idea of what "girl" means is probably "person who can wear a dress and not be mocked for it".

Sometimes the boy feels like wearing a dress, sometimes he doesn't. Must be the parents who make a big deal out of it.

I think it would be best if we just completely ungendered clothing. Anyone of any sex could wear exactly what they wanted. Then it would remove all this nonsense. If you are denied something it can seem more appealing and if repressed could become a powerful desire. So if it's not an issue there would be no thrill to be got out of dressing as the opposite sex and no reason for people to declare themselves to be the opposite sex.

We can't lie to children and tell them boys can become girls. Because they can't. Surely one of the main things about bring a woman is the ability to carry a child in your womb. So if a child is told he can become a woman then one of his main thoughts you would think would be that he could bear a child. To then put him on hormones, and then later surgically remove his penis would actually remove any possibility of him ever having children as a man. Seems very cruel not kind to encourage him in his delusions like this.

I can see how it would confuse. My dd sometimes goes to school in dresses, sometimes trousers. Does this mean on the days she wears trousers she is a boy and should be addressed as "he"?

we should make it law that all females wear skirts and males wear trousers. Then you wouldn't get all this confusion over the sex of a person..

we should make it law that all females wear skirts and males wear trousers. Then you wouldn't get all this confusion over the sex of a person

Or we could just make clothes be clothes. Garments that people wear to cover nudity and protect themselves from the elements.

Does it really matter whether you can tell at first glance that a woman is a woman or vice versa?

Let people wear clothes. Stop genderising things and then there's no need for men to women because they like dresses or women to be men because they like trousers.

I don't want to wear dresses very often. Or heels. Happy in trousers and flat shoes. Always have been. Doesn't mean shit.

If somebody wants to live their life as a different sex than the one they are born with

But what does that actually mean ?

How do you live your life as a man or as a woman?

Not a single one of the children aged between 2 and 14 (and there are a lot of them) judged or became 'distressed'. They asked "How come Henrietta is called Harry now." Were told "because he wants to be." and that was that

How would they have reacted if you had told them that Henrietta had turned into a boy?

I'm trying to think of anything I've done today that is a strongly gendered activity, statistically speaking, and pretty much all I can come up with involved caring and housework. I did a shitload of that.

I don't even think my clothes are gendered. I'm wearing a bra, because my breasts are more comfortable when supported. I'm wearing a shirt and trousers designed to accommodate my physical shape, but everybody does that.

I introduced myself by my name earlier, which is a female one. That's honestly all I can think of.

(That was in response to Fine asking how you live life as a man or a woman.)