Another school uniform one! Girls being forced to wear dresses?

[Wanderlust1984]

My DD's school have sent a letter out stating 'girls must wear skirts or dresses' - 1950s much?? Surely this is ridiculous and shouldn't be mandated? Or AIBU?

Swearing is very unladylike

Don't be fucking ridiculous. You sound as bad as she does

Do fucking keep up

Even if it was a girls school I'd be challenging a no-trousers rule.

If you think feminism goes too far and discriminates against men, you're not a feminist. You're doing nothing to "educate" her either as the one question she's asked for help on has been ignored.

It's harder legally Persipica when the uniform is the same for all pupils and happens to be skirts.

Do fucking keep up wink

Ah right 🙂 I can't keep up, I really can't 😄

Challenge via the governors and if they block it, ask for a copy of the minutes of the meeting, via FOI if necessary. Nobody wants to be identified as the guy who makes 12-16 years old children wear skirts when they want to cover their legs.
It worked for DD, although we were then limited to one supplier who refused to make trousers in her (tall) size.

unless she agrees that women should be allowed to be paid less, shouted at in the street, and generally discriminated against.

I think that's a very low bar and piers Morgan could probably jump it.

Is your dd at primary school? You mentioned primary upthread. Uniform is only legally enforceable in secondary.

Seraphine rocks! Her comment is right on the ball. Girls should be able to wear trousers if they choose. Skirts are restrictive and uncomfortable for many of us.

Modern feminism has nothing to do with equality between the sexes ffs. Anyone who wants can find that put by checking the Feminism board on here

Doesn't mean that it shouldn't be challenged Serfterf. Just because a rule is legal doesn't mean it is a good rule.

I don't know whether you'll get anywhere trying to challenge it on the grounds that your DD is uncomfortable in a skirt. Surely it being discriminatory is the only way to complain about it?

At the local secondary here, girls aren't allowed to wear skirts. Weirdly that bothers me more.

No but somehow I can't imagine OP managing calm, persuasive rationality Pers.

But why are only girls obliged to wear skirts? Even My Grammar school 40 years ago allowed girls to wear trousers.
Yanbu OP
Surely it would make more sense for both males and females to wear the same? My boys would have refused to wear skirts so why not just make the uniform trousers for everyone?

Shouldn't a child be comfortable though? Isn't that a minumum standard?

Sorry, self-conscious, which I guess isn't the same uncomfortable. The problem is you can't go adjusting the uniform and allowing exceptions based on individual students levels of self-consciousness.

Modern feminism has nothing to do with equality between the sexes ffs. Anyone who wants can find that put by checking the Feminism board on here

Exactly who wants equality in a capitalist white supremacist patriarchy? Burn the whole thing to the ground

That's why most schools allow girls to wear head scarf though right? I'm not saying the school would buy it, you're probably right. But physical comfort, self consciousness, they all seem like good enough reasons to me to let children dress as they want.

If the boys wear trousers there's an obvious legal basis for a discrimination case.

All this shouting and swearing! Non feminists are just so aaggressive!

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, you know, OP. And people are much more likely to listen if you make your point quietly and calmly.

I'm not sure that's why school's let girls wear headscarves, tbh.

Uniform should be comfortable and practical. This school sounds like they're already not bothered by these things so are unlikely to respond to individual requests based on self-consciousness. It would be a more powerful argument to base the complaint on sex discrimination.

equality in society would be a good example by allowing the same uniform rules for all pupils . Instead of dividing them

I find it incredibly depressing that we seem to be going backwards not forwards with equality of opportunity for boys and girls. In the seventies and eighties when I was going through school and university, we fought for and won the right to wear trousers if we wished. We won the right to choose between Technical Drawing, Woodwork and Metalwork, Home Economics and Needlework (the subjects had been strictly separated by gender before). Women who joined the armed services were finally able to choose career paths based on ability rather than gender - when I was first looking at careers, I fancied the RAF, dreaming of being a pilot, but discovered that at that time only boys had any chance of getting in the air. All sorts of laws came in to force to enshrine equal rights.

When did we take our eyes off the ball? The laws are all still there, but the amount of low level sexism seems to be on the rise. Toys and clothing all seem to be aggressively split into boys and girls stuff, finding something that is non gendered is incredibly difficult. Yesterday I overheard a mother helping her toddler son choose a toothbrush. He pointed at a pink one. She said he couldn't have it as pink is for girls. When I looked at the section for children's toothcare EVERY SINGLE TOOTHBRUSH was either pink with glittery purpley bits and fairies etc, or blue with cars etc. Not a single plain white or yellow or green maybe with animals on.

I am genuinely worried about the next generation of boys and girls.

I'm a senior manager in my job and my staff describe me as funny, likeable, rational and sweary! Don't worry, it's well within my ability to act calm and rational, just drop the odd f-bomb here and there