AIBU to think that parents should buy the correct uniform and stop moaning

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I am getting increasingly irritated by people on FB moaning that their child's human rights have been violated because they were put into isolation for having the wrong uniform.

I understand that some rules can seem ridiculous but unfortunately some bad parents who have let their child wear spray on trousers and tiny skirts, have necessitated schools stipulating the exact items they need to wear.

Isolation does seem a harsh punishment when it is the parent's fault but how else can schools enforce the rules when some parent's think rules do not apply to them? The child cannot attend class without trousers and parent's would be angry if the child was sent home.

You also often find that it is these parent's who also complain when a school is no good at discipline, yet will not follow the rules themselves.

Cosmic, the trouble with you buying new shoes that your child doesn't need is that those will wear out earlier than would be the case if you wait till he's grown out of/worn out his current ones, so yet more expense.

I'd suggest you send an email to the HoY setting out what she said and thanking her for it, so it is on record. Then send your DS into school with a print-out of the email and if any other idiot starts to make a fuss, he can show them the message and ask them to check with the HoY.

musicalmama, if pupils still disregard your school's uniform rules, blatantly it's not preparing them for anything. And you still have to account for the fact that people in countries with no school uniforms manage to reconcile themselves to the workplace quite easily despite that dreadful lack of early training.

Even with it, the girls still come in dressed like tarts with see through leggings and thong

What a horrible way to talk about young girls.

And what chance do they have if the people who are supposed to teach them or care about them talk about them in this way.

I agree giles

It makes me so cross to see girls described in this way particularly by teachers.

reminds me of the Rochdale case when the police described those poor girls as tarts and slags

Tbh, school is nothing like work and I wish people would stop pretending it was.

If girls want to wear leggings so what?? If the boys get distracted then its a valuable life lesson for them isnt it?

Depending on why they are dressing like that they could well be the very kids who woukd benefit from being included in classes learning that who they are matters. That they can be smart and capable and not just there to provide entertainment for boys.

Two of my children were isolated this week over shoes so I bought new ones only to be told it doesn't matter any more and the original shoes are fine.
Two wasted days and a load of wasted money. Fuck the fucking school

And absolutely

The boys are responsible for controlling their own reactions.

cecilyp, i don't think my theory does fall short, I am talking about schools in more deprived areas with more challenging behaviour, mossbourne academy in hackney is a good example, it has had great results

showandtell not showing underwear, through leggings or otherwise, is surely an acceptable part of any dress code.
Agree with the other part of your post though. The main difference between school and work is that work is paid whereas school isn't. Receiving a paycheque is really the only motivation or preperation anyone needs to follow the company policy on dress codes/uniform.

Just caught up on this. Wow. The op is

1. Way over invested
2. Astonishingly lacking in empathy
3. Kinda mean. Sorry.

The main difference between school and work is that work is paid whereas school isn't. Receiving a paycheque is really the only motivation or preperation anyone needs to follow the company policy on dress codes/uniform.

absolutely!

1. Not very bright!

5 Does not understand the meaning of 'passive agressive'.

I am absolutely appalled at the bullying that Cosmic has had to endure on this thread from 2 goady posters including OP. Cosmic, you don't need to apologise to anyone or justify anything. I would second not buying new shoes now. I would wait till they are actually needed, especially if you are not completely sure if your DS's feet have stopped growing.

Have any of you seen this thing in the Guardian? The school are sending children home for wearing the wrong shade of charcoal trousers.

I remember a teacher at school saying that uniform was a great leveller (and possibly it is - if your non school clothes aren't very nice, maybe it is a relief to have to wear a grey skirt and burgundy jumper). However, we knew who was better off - the middle class children had nicer bags, better haircuts and no local accent.

Mossbourne Academy never had challenging behaviour. It started as a new school, very strict, taking new children in from Y7 and building up gradually through the years, so no history, no need to younger brothers and sisters of older challenging kids. In this case parents did have a choice and sort of new what that they were signing up for. Also Hackney is socially mixed, rather than deprived; house prices are breathtakingly high!

hackney is not exactly chelsea though is it? come on!

A dress code which doesn't allow see through clothing = fine.
Referring to children as looming like tarts = really not fine!

this is an excerpt taken from an article in the daily telegraph about mossbourne academy -

'It is easy to forget how challenging the lives of some of these children are. Some have lost both parents to heroin addiction. Others, including one of the successful Cambridge applicants, are single parents. Many live with violence and crime. A whopping 58 per cent of students have statements of special educational needs; 43 per cent are on free school meals.'

part of the reason they are so successful is because of zero tolerance rules

Is there any proof that the uniform rules specifically made a difference.

Im all.for zero tolerence. On bullying. On disruptive behaviour. On vandalism foul language etc

However I question the sanity of zero tolerance 're uniform on children who's parents are drug addicts, skint, violent etc. How stressful it must have been for those kids knowing mum and dad were to high to get out and buy the damn uniform.in the fireplace.

There was a real chance of it backfiring and failing the kids who woukd have benefited the most.

Why would you put kids who have such chaotic and scary honelives through having to worry if they'd even be allowed through the gates.

So anywhere that isn't Chelsea is socially deprived? I think there is a fair bit of journalistic licence in that Telegraph article, Lethaldrizzle. All of the children who managed to make there way through that school to year 11 would have parents who bought into the ethos, were willing to buy and enforce the uniform and keep their children on the straight and narrow. I am sure some children would have fallen by the wayside and gone to other schools before then.

However I question the sanity of zero tolerance 're uniform on children who's parents are drug addicts, skint, violent etc. How stressful it must have been for those kids knowing mum and dad were to high to get out and buy the damn uniform.in the first place.

If decent, hardworking parents like Cosmic have difficultlies, it is hard to imagine the above parents managing to kit out their kids in immaculate uniforms at all times.

Precisely.

Am addict choosing 110 pound blazers over their next hit.just not going to happen.

I guess it makes schools look good though when all the "problem" kids are no longer a problem.can't fail them if they aren't there