AIBU to think that parents should buy the correct uniform and stop moaning

[Loveluck7]

I am getting increasingly irritated by people on FB moaning that their child's human rights have been violated because they were put into isolation for having the wrong uniform.

I understand that some rules can seem ridiculous but unfortunately some bad parents who have let their child wear spray on trousers and tiny skirts, have necessitated schools stipulating the exact items they need to wear.

Isolation does seem a harsh punishment when it is the parent's fault but how else can schools enforce the rules when some parent's think rules do not apply to them? The child cannot attend class without trousers and parent's would be angry if the child was sent home.

You also often find that it is these parent's who also complain when a school is no good at discipline, yet will not follow the rules themselves.

Love. Actually no. youre wrong.

There are some really fucking nasty, judgemental and elitist posts on this thread, it actually saddens me. Most people have clearly said that they do not have a problem with school uniform if it can be purchased from any of the high street stores or supermarkets. The problem that many have is with the pompous and ridiculous single supplier everything must have a logo type of uniform.
We have people saying that the uniform is partly to prevent a glaring divide between parents who can afford the latest brands or fashions and those who can't, when it is actually doing exactly that in many circumstances! Some school ban shoes etc where branded but then on the other hand actually insist on that principle with the rest of the uniform, the hypocrisy is astounding.

In Northern Ireland the board of governors of the voluntary sector sets pay and uniform arrangements. I can assure you I am not wrong. You are extrapolating the English position to cover the whole of the United Kingdom.

To those who think it is OK to not support the school about uniform, will you also moan when the teachers cannot keep control of lessons and cannot stop bullying. If you tell your children that they can cherrypick the rules they follow, then do not be surprised when their school experience is poor.

This is the sort of black and white thinking that I find so depressing. It is simply not necessary, and potentially quite damaging, to instill a belief in children (that seems to persist into adulthood if this thread is to go by) that all rules must be obeyed without question if you are not going to descend into anarchy. It is perfectly possible for a person to be a little bit rebellious in their choice of footwear, and nevertheless understand that bullying is wrong. If there's some good reason why a brogue shoe is acceptable and a t bar shoe is not surely it could be articulated?

Longestlurker: There are ways of challenging rules. Write to the headteacher, write to the governing body, start a petition. However telling your children to break the rules because they don't agree with them, completely undermines teachers and severely limits a teachers ability to keep order.

Expemsiveuniform; I do not think just saying I am wrong constitutes proof.

I'm not a believer in uniform at all, but if it must exist it should be able to be purchased in supermarkets. Simple trousers/skirt, jumper, shirt in easily acquired colours and a crest that you can sew on and easily move from an outgrown item to a new one.

Exactly.

You're just as capable of googling as me.

The position in Northern Ireland, as i have already said, is different. I don't believe you have the same finding arrangements for schools in the rest of the uk.

The guidance on uniform being cost effective or,whatever way you want to put it, is legally binding i the rest of the uk but only advisory in Northern Ireland.

*funding

The jumpers could have a special badge 'wallet', situated on the chest, made of durable, see through material. (similar to credit card holders)
The parents could go to the supermarket, purchase the uniform in the correct colour and then the school's logo could be inserted into the 'wallet'
There wouldn't even be any sewing involved.

I have googled it and cannot find anything that suggests that Headteachers in Northern Ireland get a cut of the Northern Ireland get a cut of the profits. I only managed to find a lot of details about the uniform grant that is available to North Irish parents.
You shouldn't keep saying something is true, especially something that is very disparaging towards a large group without giving any evidence.

loveluck but you were complaining about people moaning on facebook, never mind starting a petition.

Fwiw my kids are young, and their school barely has a uniform policy . I am just saying if someone does, a bit, there's no need for the school to deliver over-the-top punishments and every other parent standing on the sidelines cheering them on. It's not a prison, there's no need for it.

Would you like me to scan and email you the letter directing me to one specific supplier for amblazer who happens to sit on the board of governors and would you like me to get my mothers old pay slips from the additional payment she received as a result of teaching in the voluntary sector?

There's the link stating uniform advice is guidance only and falls to the board of governors to determine

www.education-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/de/2011-04-guidance-to-schools-on-school-uniform-policy.pdf

Voluntary grammars have an additional fee payable by parents. Usually around £150/200 per child.

Yes cause google has all the answers...

Official stockists - 3 listed on school site and I talked to one supplier and am aware he pays a cut to the school. Because he told me. He was most irked to lose the contract for supply of pe kit to under armour.

Expemsive; you seem to think you have evidence of something that if true, is obviously corruption. You should go to the newspapers in Northern Ireland immediately. The rules of governing bodies are that any governer with a vested interest in a disscussion item has to declare it and not take part in the discussion or decision making if they have an obvious conflict. If you have proof this governor did this please go to the press.

I do not understand the point you're trying to make about your mothers payslips. Are you saying that your mother was a headteacher who gained to financially from making people's children wear a uniform from a supplier?

Omg Expemsive; if the supplier pays a cut to the school, that money is spent on things for the school, like books and trips et cetera. The headteacher does not get a penny. I have said this many times you are choosing to continue with your conspiracy theory nonsense.

Many Teachers at voluntary grammars get an additional payment over and above their normal salary provided by the school.

There's a link from the bursars here www.niassembly.gov.uk/assembly-business/official-report/committee-minutes-of-evidence/session-2012-2013/january-2013/education-bill-northern-ireland-voluntary-grammar-schools-bursars-association-briefing/ you'll need to read it.

The schools are often charities and all voluntary grammars have powers to recruit hire and pay staff and to levy additional fees.

www.campbellcollege.co.uk/About-Us/What-is-a-voluntary-B-school.aspx This is a good summary.

Shall I carry on?

Or just leave you to tell me how wrong I am and I'm making it all up ....

Grow up and stop throwing insults !!!