AIBU to think that parents should buy the correct uniform and stop moaning

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I am getting increasingly irritated by people on FB moaning that their child's human rights have been violated because they were put into isolation for having the wrong uniform.

I understand that some rules can seem ridiculous but unfortunately some bad parents who have let their child wear spray on trousers and tiny skirts, have necessitated schools stipulating the exact items they need to wear.

Isolation does seem a harsh punishment when it is the parent's fault but how else can schools enforce the rules when some parent's think rules do not apply to them? The child cannot attend class without trousers and parent's would be angry if the child was sent home.

You also often find that it is these parent's who also complain when a school is no good at discipline, yet will not follow the rules themselves.

Dear lord.

I give up.

They're not niche. They are the system in Northern Ireland.

Fee for school in Northern Ireland at a voluntary grammar is NOT a voluntary donation. We also are asked to pay a voluntary donation but the fee is the fee. If you don't pay the capitation fee your child can't attend the school. It is not voluntary.

Expemsive: Yet again I ask you how does the voluntary payment in voluntary schools in Northern Ireland prove that Headteachers get a penny from school uniform profits?

I have explained. Numerous times what the money is spent on.

It is not my fault you are unable to understand.

You clearly have no understanding of what the term "voluntary grammar school" actually means in the context of Northern Ireland so there is no point in trying to explain anything to you.

No you have said that a voluntary contribution is then used in teacher pay. You have not explained how this is linked to money from uniforms going to the Headteachers pay. You have not at any point explained this.

I did not say a voluntary contribution was used in teachers pay. You are making that up.

"would you like me to get my mothers old pay slips from the additional payment she received as a result of teaching in the voluntary sector?"

What did you mean by this?

Jesus wept.

The voluntary sector is the voluntary grammar sector in Northern Ireland

That does not say that a voluntary contribution from parents is used in teacher pay. Not. At. All.

Then why did you write about your mums payslips? How does this prove that Headteachers get money from uniform prices?

Uuf, Expemsiveuniform. I went to one of those schools many moons ago and still remember the shame of having a shiny gym slip from having to use the same one for three years, because the uniform was so bloody expensive.

Glad to hear the update cosmic

90 kids... what a waste of everyone's time.

I can't get my head around someone who'd rather expel 30 kids over shoes than accept they may have been a bit ridiculous to start with. It's like a toddler who suddenly realises how daft they have been so overcompensates with a massive tantrum as it's gone to far to just stop.

YANBU. When these kids join the working world they will also have to follow guidelines on what they wear, the uniform code in schools is there to prepare them for later life.

Well to join the working world they need an education.

Not going to happen if the head wakes up and instead of asking his or herself what opportunities can we provide this yr for our pupils, spends the time worrying about what shade of blue a hair bobble is or how outrageous it is to see a pair of asda trousers . .

Please enlighten me how charging 110 pounds for a blazer is helping anyone learn anything?

Sayyouwill, the situation of children in schools is not in any way comparable to members of your team at work. People who work for your company have a degree of choice: if they don't want a job that entails wearing a uniform, they don't apply. The reality is that in practice in most areas parents don't have much choice in relation to schools, and in any event they may well be in the situation where the only schools their children have a chance of getting a place in all have uniform.

Plus if your company makes arbitrary changes to the uniform at no notice and requires its employees to magic up money to comply, or puts them in isolation until they do, those employees can resign and sue for constructive dismissal. That's not an option open to schoolchildren.

I always wonder if people who moan about school uniforms really believe they would dress their children for free, if there was no school uniform?

The point is of course that the clothes you buy would be worn outside school as well, so you would at least get some value for money. And there is no way on God's earth that any sensible parent would choose to buy a blazer, let alone one costing £110.

Tiggertop, how do you account for the fact that, all over the world, countries with no uniform requirement in schools nevertheless seem to manage fine in terms of incorporating people into the world of employment, including following dress codes or even wearing uniforms?

Surely an appropriate response to the '2mm tags on shoes' issue would have been a note home saying 'please remove tags on shoes'.

Not isolation

In my 15 year old DD3's school this week they apparently thought it an appropriate policy to go into the form rooms at registration to publicly measure and comment on both their height and (for the girls) their skirt lengths. Yes, they did actually also publicly measure the skirt lengths.

There have been many parental complaints and thankfully they stopped it. Complaints were not about enforcement of smart uniform, but about the public measuring and commenting. Mine will soon be joining them as I have been jigging about with my email to get it right.

FWIW, there was eventually, again after public discussion, no issue with the length of DD3's skirt.

how do you account for the fact that, all over the world, countries with no uniform requirement in schools nevertheless seem to manage fine in terms of incorporating people into the world of employment, including following dress codes or even wearing uniforms

That's what I was thinking. I live in Germany and the teenagers here do very well in average, despite never having worn a uniform. Of course they have a decent system of apprenticeships, free university and a flourishing economy, but as the UK fails on all three of those at this point, it certainly helps deflect any criticism if you focus all the blame on totally irrelevant nonsense like how many cm above your knees your bloody skirt is

When you go to college or uni therefore no uniforms. Hell you even call your teachers by their first names.

It's ridiculous thinking like this that is why our kids are snowed under with homework from age 4 cos people are somehow worried they won't cope at 12 suddenly having to do it.

Exveot it has the opposite effect doesn't it. Because instead if things being left to a point where they are old enough and capable enough to do it themselves without any hassle we now have entire weekend poking exhausted 5 year olds who can't do it by themselves when they should be running around outside and we have 10 and 11 ur olds who can't even get through the school gates

My kids went to a primary school, aged 4, that prepared them for work :proud;

They wore their own clothes and called teachers by their first names.

The ones who wanted to be police divers were a bit disadvantaged because the flippers made carpet time a bit of a nightmare...

What happened about the night shift kids?