AIBU to think that parents should buy the correct uniform and stop moaning

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I am getting increasingly irritated by people on FB moaning that their child's human rights have been violated because they were put into isolation for having the wrong uniform.

I understand that some rules can seem ridiculous but unfortunately some bad parents who have let their child wear spray on trousers and tiny skirts, have necessitated schools stipulating the exact items they need to wear.

Isolation does seem a harsh punishment when it is the parent's fault but how else can schools enforce the rules when some parent's think rules do not apply to them? The child cannot attend class without trousers and parent's would be angry if the child was sent home.

You also often find that it is these parent's who also complain when a school is no good at discipline, yet will not follow the rules themselves.

No Coddiewomple, people hit hard times in their life and they struggle. Because a family hits a hard time it's not just a case of 'some people really shouldn't be allowed to have kids'

Hard times can hit anyone at any time. You're not excluded from that. It could be you. At any time.
You don't know what tomorrow will bring.

coddiwomple so you're saying that my only being able to afford to give my older 2 Marmite on toast was deliberate neglect? We were skint. When they were born, XH was in work, he lost his job soon after DD1 was born.

I was shocked that we were forced to buy uniform with logos on everything - even PE kit. There was one supplier who then got bought and the parent company sacked everyone and all our orders got fucked up. School was closed so we had no idea what to do. The only item we could buy cheaply was trousers. I'm also surprised that schools can stipulate things like leather shoes - is have a moral objection as a vegan who doesn't buy leather.

Oh what a surprise, now we have vicious morons insisting that children are only going hungry because their idle parents are too stupid to feed them.
Here are the basic economic facts. Wages have been held down artificially for years, while housing costs have soared. Benefits are being cut (which is actually costing you smug 'taxpayers' far more, in terms of wasted government money on appeals, bonuses to private companies for illegal 'assessments' and malfunctioning IT). Poor people are only poor because the economy has been set up to transfer as much money as possible FROM the poor TO the wealthy.

The obsession with petty, complicated uniform rules is part and parcel of the same thing: children must be put firmly in their place, particularly if they are poor, and kept there. It goes along with the new curriculum and changes to SATS - this is about teaching children to percieve themselves as thick and lazy and worthless because they are being set tests they cannot possibly pass.

I give it about three years (unless radical change happens) before a campaign to reintroduce physical abuse of children (corporal punishment) starts gaining traction.

Hard times can hit anyone at any time. You're not excluded from that. It could be you. At any time.

It was me, I had to go through shit like anyone else (or like most people). We decided on the amount of children we could have based on the worst case scenario. The cost of raising a child is not exactly a surprise.

Itwasme, I had to go through shit like anyone else (or like most people). We decided on the amount of children we could have based on the worst case scenario. The cost of raising a child is not exactly a surprise

Im.assuming you had none then?.based on the fact you could die at any time as could your dh ?

Did you even read my post? People get made redundant, or become ill and unable to work.

A single parent with two teen children (no childcare), working full time on minimum wage will get around £1000 a month of wages plus around £600 in tax credits/child benefit. So £1600 net income.

Rent- £600
Council tax - £120
Gas/electricity- £90
Water - £40
Phone (PAYG) - £20
Food - £240 (budget of around £60 a week)
Transport to work/school - £190 (for an adult bus pass and two child bus passes)

That's just shy of £1300 so far and I haven't taken into account anything like loan repayments or other debts, any prescription fees or optician costs, dental costs, clothing, birthdays, insurance costs, dinner money costs (you csnt claim free school meals if you get WTC), and so on, all those little things that quickly add up. Money disappears very quickly when there's a very limited amount of it.

Yy Bearfrills

.based on the fact you could die at any time as could your dh

That's exactly why we have life insurance, and friends who have agreed to take the kids and all financial issues to raise them are already organised. Should we both die. They have a place to go, and their new family will have the funds they need to care for them.

I am not getting into my life story, but yes, I do know about being without income, unable to work but in a country with no handout to help you.

I can't help noticing that people complain about their financial struggle, on line, with a computer or a phone. "Poverty" means different things to different people.

Shall we go back to the original moan about school uniforms

It was me, I had to go through shit like anyone else (or like most people). We decided on the amount of children we could have based on the worst case scenario. The cost of raising a child is not exactly a surprise.

So did me and 3 ex.
3 children was affordable. Last pregnancy was twins . 3 years ago my 14 year marriage ended because ex had an affair.
I am now single mum of 4 I work full time and manage just. I have no treats and I save like mad for everything.
What money does come in keeps us going but sometimes life throws you a curve ball which can fuck up careful budgetting.

I have a smartphone which my Grandad bought for my birthday, he also pays the bill, so I can keep in touch with my family. It's also vital as DS1 is an adult who's left home and has a life limiting illness. We don't have a land line.

And "poverty" means having to choose between food and the correct school uniform.

You don't have to justify yourself Evil

The amount judgemental out of touch posts on this thread is shocking.

Stop criticizing other people and putting them down for non-issues, or assuming that everyone is made of money or that people on benefits simply need to budget better. You are quite frankly a bunch of intolerant snooty pants.
There is no reason on earth why your child should not be able to wear tailored grey trousers from tesco rather than tailored grey trousers from a specific shop. The head is just on a power trip or thinks he is running a prison. Same goes for black shoes with a tiny label on. Whoptidoo, call the police.
Personally i dont believe uniform is even necessary, providing the school instills an atmosphere or inclusion and tolerance in the children, which should prevent or reduce bullying over someone's clothes or other external aspects. Teach the kids social responsibility and respect for one another. Much better than an authoritarian approach where you are telling the kids what to do and what to wear without really making sure they understand why they are doing it. At DD's school precisely this happens. They all wear what they like and respect each other. Bullying is minimal, be it for clothes or any other reason.

Even people not living in poverty may well struggle with many of these demands. A new uniform change requiring a large spend out.

And I repeat. People having money is still not an invitation to rip them off with one supplier crap.

Thanks Portia, she deeply insulted me when she insinuated that all children who didn't get a hot supper were victims of neglect. Now, apparently, I shouldn't have a smartphone.

Take no notice Evil it's easy to be a bitch from a keyboard

Well we don't want to hear about your shitty life excuses do we...

Mindless drones can't bare the thought we actually question the necessity of these things.

Don't know what they are afraid of . The fact they have fallen for the crap when there's no evidence that all the things teachers set out to achieve cab he achieved without the clothing perhaps?

How dare you have some way of engaging with actual people. Put that 2 pound a week aside for something like a blazer

".. I can't help noticing that people complain about their financial struggle, on line, with a computer or a phone. "Poverty" means different things to different people"

This line gets trotted out all the time on threads like this, like some sort of trump card that proves poor people are poor because they're stupid and don't know how to budget. It's nonsense.

I guess without a landline And without a smart phone least the school won't he able to get hold of you in order to let you know about such horrific infringements

I'm fairly certain internet access is classed as essential now anyway. The kids need it for homework, if you're on JSA you're expected to use it several times a day to join search, and so on.

Internet and phones are not luxuries these days. Virtually everything we do requires it.
Owning a computer doesn't mean someone has lots of money.

get over ourselves. You have chosen to put your child in a school with a uniform policy. No one is forcing you to put your kid in there. I know at least of a couple of schools in London - because it's where I happen to be based - where there are no uniforms. There are options. If you do not agree with the school, put them somewhere else! Don't have a go at parents like me who are happy with the uniforms, the principle and the policy in place and maybe have chosen the school because there's a uniform in place.

I don't agree with everything the school does, I am not quiet about it, and with other parents, we try to find solutions or other ways to do things. The state school system offer so much help to parents who need it, it's a bit unreasonable to pretend there's nothing.

I am involved with families who struggle financially, I assure you that they have no computer or smartphone. This is why the ones with very young children are strongly advised to go to the local children center, where they have computer access and help, free toy library for the children, and the usual playgroup for kids to play when mum is on the computer.

Truly, "poverty" doesn't mean the same for everybody.