to wish that the mother of this child would sit down and do something less noisy and dangerous?

[Iris65]

P is lucky enough to have a performance parent for a mother. They are currently running up and down in the cafe chasing each other, screaming and tickling when caught while she narrates everything at a shout. P also has a dairy sensitivity, gluten sensitivity, peanut allergy, and is vegan. This caused some difficulty when choosing a snack but we are all now fully informed about the hazards and the ethics of choosing a snack in a well known coffee house chain.
P is also gender neutral which we heard all about when a passing elderly women commented on 'her lovely curly hair.' The elderly woman needed a sit down and a cup of tea afterwards while being patted on the arm by sympathetic bystanders.
My heart goes out to whichever poor soul will meet P and Mummy when they go back to school. If they are not homeschooled that is and we can only hope that is the case because there is no doubt they will need one to one attention.
Purple haired parent just glared at me from under her bandana after I glanced up when exploring, running child bumped into my table. Was she 'triggered' by my patriarchal expectations of drinking my coffe undisturbed or was their yin ynaged by my negativity?

Another example of a intolerant attention seeker. I think the point is not the lifestyle or fashion (poster just building up the picture). Its about people who have no idea about living in society and being respectful of the others in their community. There is away of talking to people and dealing with others innocent misunderstand in a polite manner (especially when you are living fairly different from social norms). I suspect this is the sort of attention seeking person who takes great pleasure in correcting people, shouting them down and pretending to be oppressed all the time. I would suspect that if all the boxes they ticked were the norm they would tick the complete opposite boxes to maintain their difference. It a way its a subtle sort of bulling and attention seeking disguised as being the oppressed victim standing up for them self. Its a behaviour that damages the image of parents who are truly trying to raise their children in the same way but in a respectful manor. I worry what example she is setting her child and its affect on their ability live respectfully in wider society when they are older.

Reminded me of this Simpsons clip

Well can I join in the competition with a performance parenting granny?

We were at a small medieval craft thing (I know I know) just my two and performance granny all kids between 6-12. Quiet setting kids working away.

"Look at these flowers darling aren't they marvellous? Just like the ones in granny's garden that we picked together"
"You have to write a word darling. Write one in Latin, you are so good at Latin that you learn at school".

Hilariously DD2 who was younger than both of hers said "I don't think I will write a word Im going to do a Mandarin symbol". Performance granny turned puce. Snort they had done it in school that week.

Kids looked mildly embarrassed and ignored her.

Sorry this clip

"You do know what it means, don't you? Its about not colour coding them. Offering them a range of toys to play with. And choices based on their personality and interests, not on their genitals. Not praising behaviour based solely on gender stereotypes "What a pretty little girl. What a good little girl to sit so nice and quietly" "What a big, brave boy you are not to cry."*

Now you see, I raised my DCs like that too. But I somehow managed it before the term "gender neutral" (which actually is a label in itself) was invented, so I just had two boys and one girl who chose their own clothes, toys, interests etc.

I was going to post exactly that. You don't have to draw attention to it like this woman.

This is definitely true and a real thing that happened.

I have a question.

Do vegans breastfeed? If they wish to raise their kids as vegan?

I find it hilarious with the whole 'gender neutral' thing.

DD1 is 19. When she was born she had red hair so wearing pink was a no-no anyway. I dressed her in anything I liked the look of, she was often mistaken for a boy, never bothered correcting anyone either - DD was a baby, she could care less.

She had cars, trains, dolls, dressing up stuff, building sets, art stuff - the lot.

DD2 inherited all DD1's toys and still loves playing with her cars now (she's 11).

I had no ideas about being gender neutral or anything with a label. I just remember being a kid and thinking my boy cousins toys were a lot more fun than a doll.

Never heard the name Prague used for a child before.

Do vegans breastfeed? If they wish to raise their kids as vegan?

Of course. Why not? The whole point of vegan is not to exploit other animals by eating their flesh, milk and eggs. It's about as vegan as you can get to feed your child with your own milk.

*of being vegan

I see. That makes sense, it (clearly) isn't something I know much about. I guess my thinking was along the lines of, human beings are animals too...

What about using a wet nurse or donated breast milk?

Presumably the wet nurse would have given informed consent.
If they were forced to donate their milk against their will it wouldn't be vegan.
A vegan wouldn't use formula milk because its dairy so breast would be their only safe option surely?

Using human milk to feed human babies is always going to be OK in veganism. I do remember a very, very sad story from some years ago where a vegan couple fed their newborn on apple juice and soy milk (the baby died) and the bemused and appalled reactions to it by every vegan and vegetarian I know- because how on earth could they have thought that it was not vegan to breastfeed? It was horrible.

If you have allergies to milk it is often easiest when trying up get stuff to eat in public just to ask for the vegan food. Alternatively, I'd guess the parents intended little P to be vegetarian but he is sensitive to milk so vegan it had to be. Just sayin,' - she does sound like a PITA but no need to over-egg it, chaps.

why wouldn't a vegan breastfeed?

We have a friend who is similar, right down to the multiple intolerances (just add egg into it as well). The child was quite sweet at 5 when we first met, got a bit irritating by 6, by 8 even my kids don't like her anymore.

Last time she was here she threw chewing gum in my dd's hair and we had to chop a chunk out. She also ripped up a few sheets of A4 into a gazillion tiny pieces and threw them around the car (her mum did get her to clear them up, so she cleaned approx a quarter of them up and was let off), she also whacked my ds really hard with a baseball cap and made him scream out (unusual) and then said he was hitting her (he said he wasn't and he is very honest, guess who I believed). Mum believed her child of course and I was utterly fuming.

This is the road special snowflakes go down. She may improve in her teens, I have no idea, but currently I want to avoid her as much as possible.

Roz vegan here. I'd say if you get consent from the animal concerned to use their bodily fluids (which sounds EWWW) then it's fine.

DH has often talked longingly of the suicidal cows at the restaurant at the end of the universe....

I thought with the vegan baby dying story it was that she couldn't produce enough milk (failure to thrive)

Do you live in Brighton by any chance? I do and am sure I have met who you are talking about tho it was blue hair last time I saw her.

I think there have been a few similar-ish cases Princess, I'll try and find a link to the one I'm thinking of later.

Beat me to it msmuseli
We don't get a lot of this in Liverpool lol
Maybe Hoxton or Crouch End are possibilities too?

I'd just like to thank @HotNatured for teaching me a new word

I shall be using the word solipsistic at every possible opportunity

The 'vegan baby/apple juice' story

www.nbcnews.com/id/18574603/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/vegan-couple-sentenced-life-over-babys-death/

A number of other cases here.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/11/italian-baby-fed-vegan-diet-hospitalized-for-malnutrition/?utm_term=.80c696723cae

Ooh I hope it's Podgorica.

Lol, I could only think of Prague!

When I'm in charge of the world and everything in it, performance parenting will be a criminal matter.