to think this is a great way of getting top A-Level success rates - I can't believe other schools haven't cottoned on

[orlantina]

Simply don't let the pupils in Y12 who aren't going to get As not do year 13.

Then you are looking good for a high success rate and can market yourself as a great school.

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/aug/29/grammar-school-unlawfully-threw-out-students-who-failed-to-get-top-grades

Unbelievable the school did this...

I honestly don't think it would go down well, plus aren't they changing it all so it's harder?

It seems quite a few teenagers are going for specific courses at colleges, if they have an idea of what direction they want to go.

Ceto- that may be the case but I'm not sure it happens in reality. There is a Croydon academy (possibly Harris) that has excluded a number of students and cannot tell the LA where they have gone. This would never happen in an LA school.

Mairead
There is a Croydon academy that has excluded a number of students and cannot tell the LA where they have gone.
Ofsted will not like that one at all - their new framework involves looking for gaps in pupil numbers
its a safeguarding issue if nothing else ....

MissDashwood
Only 40% of kids do A levels. 60% are already in college / vocational courses that that you would ever know from reading MN

Mairead, I'm sure they gamble on parents not getting legal advice, but they are still subject to the law, as this case illustrates.

Schools should be responsible for the attainment and progress of all children who enroll on their courses. So even if they leave or are pushed out their results should still appear on the original schools books. That would stop this manipulation.

Okay Ceto, but it happens. What's clear is the outcome depends on what sort of people it happens to.

Mairead
I think that what has changed this week is that OfQual and OfSTED and MPs and parents are all aware
any parent who has jumped the hoops to get into their ideal school now knows that it cuts both ways
schools shall reap what they sowed

I'm so pleased that my kids school was a Comp
and that their college has a huge comp element

• they will be hardly affected by the changes that are brewing

Ta1k- Let's hope so. I still think many academies get away with this sort of thing under the radar.
My children too are educated comprehensively. I'm sure some here have said dodgy exclusions have happened in comprehensives too- as you say, they'll have to tread carefully in the future.

This could make league tables for A-levels and A-Level success rates much more interesting next year.

Will there be a reduction in the percentage of pupils getting high grades?

orlantina
Will there be a reduction in the percentage of pupils getting high grades?
Not sure.
In an ideal world it will increase the number
as kids will move to schools where they are supported
and if the parents start to realise that superselectives have no magic spell
then more schools will share the spoils
which will help the universities on their outreach
BUT
assuming there is the political will within Ofsted and Ofqual which I doubt TBH
it would still take around 4 years to shake out (year 9 to year 13)

An interesting few years of league tables.

Fresh8008 Schools should be responsible for the attainment and progress of all children who enroll on their courses. So even if they leave or are pushed out their results should still appear on the original schools books. That would stop this manipulation.

I agree - so long as you give the schools & students a couple of weeks grace to settle in to their school.

I know of some students who have given some sixth forms a try out who have started term last week. They're off to another sixth form having enrolled in 2 last week.

I know of some students who have given some sixth forms a try out who have started term last week. They're off to another sixth form having enrolled in 2 last week.
Private schools I presume ....

No, both comprehensives.

Actually, I know one boy left one sixth form after 2 weeks because his girlfriend didn't want him in a sixth form with so many girls!

It's not uncommon to try one 6th form and decide it isn"t for you. It happens at DD's school.

wow, there are lots of 6th forms with spaces ...
DCs does not take late entrants - and they take 1,900 per year

DD's 6th form is a school not college. I think they have an intake of abou 150 in year 12. She chose to stay precisely because it was small.

wow 150 sounds big to me!

jjbutt
150 is tiny
kids school was 300 per year
the 6th form was 1700 in DDs first year, 1800 in 2nd year
1900 in DS first year and I suspect next week will be 2000 ish
PER YEAR

An interesting few years of league tables

No they will just be a lot more cautious with their Y12 intake .Less prepared to give their Y11s who have had a few exam slip-ups the benefit of the doubt .I do not see this as a thing to be celebrated at all

Our school is about 120, I thought that was pretty normal, but then I am a country bumpkin!

Jjbutt- my eldest son's school is 10-form entry! Doesn't feel like that when you're there though.

No they will just be a lot more cautious with their Y12 intake

But they cant be so cautious that they dont fill up their intake or they might become financially un-viable. Surly?

jjbutt
my kids go to / went to Peter Symonds : catchment covers the whole of Hampshire and a chunk of Wiltshire
many rural 6ths are smaller