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Really fucked off with Euro exchange rate

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GrumpyOldBag · 27/08/2017 15:39

We have been going on holiday self-catering to the same place in Europe for over 10 years.

This year everything feels prohibitively expensive - to the point where it is really inhibiting what we can choose to do.

We are here for 2 weeks and it's really hard as family of 4 (with 2 teenagers) to spend less than £100/euros a day on activities/eating out.

Not in a beach resort type place, so taking a picnic to the beach for the day isn't an option - nearly everything there is to do here costs money. 3 euros for a coffee, 3 for an ice-cream - it all quickly adds up. Even the 'cheap' food in the supermarket is expensive. Practically at parity with £.

Bloody Brexit!

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MissMoneyPlant · 28/08/2017 10:37

orlantina Maybe we should have immigration quotas into the South East?

You joke, but as someone who grew up in the South East and now can't afford to live there near my family, it does grate a bit.

I think the lack of consideration about the importance of community and family, and policies supporting these things, is a big problem. I mean, where does it end? Loads of UK born people no longer able to afford to live here, pushed out to poorer parts of Europe? (Like a large scale London/SE thing). Where they have less rights, as they are not a citizen of the country..? I think it's so important, the world over, that people can have a relatively decent life close-ish to where they were born, if they want! But that issue is way bigger than Brexit and the EU...

BWatchWatcher · 28/08/2017 10:40

Don't forget of course that Brexit is going to totally mess up NI. You know the one place in the UK that has a land border with Europe.
Thanks for that folks.

orlantina · 28/08/2017 10:41

You joke, but as someone who grew up in the South East and now can't afford to live there near my family, it does grate a bit

And then those rich Londoners buying their second homes in Cornwall and pricing out the locals....

Just like the EU but on a local scale.

OTOH - those people coming to London from other parts of the UK do do the jobs, pay taxes and create employment and growth.

MargaretTwatyer · 28/08/2017 15:40

Why odd? If you don't understand the system, there are plenty of resources online that help. My MEP is also very good at using social media to keep us up-to-date with what she is doing - much more than our MP.

I know exactly how it works but it's still a strange system because there are so many political parties that voting for a parties manifesto is pretty much meaningless and European voters are in the main very, very vague on what they are voting for.

Voting for a manifesto is meaningless when we all know it's thrown out of the window pretty much immediately and exchanged for horse trading and bartering for the least bad option they can get, which may not be anything like the manifesto. Which often means we end up with policy which no voters voted for or wanted simply because if was the only achievable deal. It's unrepresentative and unwieldy and not particularly powerful either, the unelected arms have much more power because they're smaller and able to act decisively to take control. In many ways it's an elective dictatorship.

But they choose not to address the concerns of the poorest people in Britain despite that.

Not true. One of the aims of the EU is to invest in poorer areas - such as parts of Wales and the North which have been ignored by successive British governments. These areas will undoubtedly be worse off

Firstly, I think it's been pretty clear that it's not really been the sort of investment people in those areas want. It's normally a big shiny building which costs a huge amount of money for a very low return in terms of jobs.

Secondly, the EUs definition of deprivation ignores an awful lot of people. Those areas in Wales for example may have low incomes and employment levels. But they have benefits like plentiful cheap housing.
However lots of people who live in the south east for example, will be seen as 'not deprived' by the EU because they have higher incomes and employment rates. In practice they may well be living far more deprived lives than those in Wales with much less available money because of high housing costs. And big shiny EU funded buildings don't help people on low wages in expensive housing improve their quality of life.

In short, they targeted the wrong sort of help in very limited areas. And the areas they 'helped' were also much less likely to be affected negatively impacted by the EU because of low migration to their areas and less impact on housing and wages.

Basically they were extremely limited in who they tried to help and they did it in a way that the poorest people didn't find helpful or appreciate. So it was all a bit pointless really.

orlantina · 28/08/2017 16:25

However lots of people who live in the south east for example, will be seen as 'not deprived' by the EU because they have higher incomes and employment rates. In practice they may well be living far more deprived lives than those in Wales with much less available money because of high housing costs

Isn't that the same for the UK Government?

You seem to be blaming the EU for the faults of the UK Government.

orlantina · 28/08/2017 16:26

And the areas they 'helped' were also much less likely to be affected negatively impacted by the EU because of low migration to their areas and less impact on housing and wages

Alternatively - they also missed out on the POSITIVE effects of the EU - with migration helping bring jobs, employment, local spending, local taxes etc.

Kazzyhoward · 28/08/2017 16:40

Not true. One of the aims of the EU is to invest in poorer areas - such as parts of Wales and the North which have been ignored by successive British governments. These areas will undoubtedly be worse off

Plenty of Northern towns havn't seen a penny of EU aid. My town certainly hasn't, as is getting more run down by the day. I know some towns who've got EU grants, and yes, the money has been wasted on "shiny" things like statues on roundabouts that have cost an absolute fortune for zero return. Lots of towns weren't able to "tick" the EU boxes so have got sweet FA.

orlantina · 28/08/2017 16:54

On a technical point, when we leave the EU and pay the EU what we owe, will it be in Euros or in Pounds?

That makes the cost of holidays pale into insignficance..

SherbrookeFosterer · 28/08/2017 17:35

Bloody Brexit indeed.

Wait till you have to pay £50 per person, per trip, for a visa - I hear that is on the cards!

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 28/08/2017 17:39

Wait till you have to pay £50 per person, per trip, for a visa - I hear that is on the cards!

Excellent i'll look forward to that

Dh ticked the yes box for 14 year old dd on the 'are you a terrorist' question on the usa visa

why would you ask the question ....what are you expecting for an answer

falange · 28/08/2017 18:18

OP. Just go somewhere cheaper. I've been to the abroad twice this year and found it very cheap.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/08/2017 18:22

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orlantina · 28/08/2017 18:22

Wait till you have to pay £50 per person, per trip, for a visa - I hear that is on the cards

And what paper did you hear that in?

orlantina · 28/08/2017 18:24

People do not think about things like that when booking their holidays

Some people do.

But OTOH - there's massive health benefits in experiencing another culture, soaking up the sun and having a total change of scene.

All depends on what people are prepared to spend. It's why Norway has always been off my list.

Maireadplastic · 28/08/2017 18:31

Roadtohell66- yes, visiting Ireland has become SO expensive. It was never cheap, but we have to think seriously about visiting relatives (who won't be around for much longer) next year.

FaveNumberIs2 · 28/08/2017 18:47

And yet all those people in the euro countries will be rejoicing for they will be getting more in their purse and tills for a change.

You can't have it your way all the time.

orlantina · 28/08/2017 18:58

Just imagine what would have happened if we had joined the Euro...we could all have had really cheap holidays or complained they were too expensive.....

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bubbly1978 · 28/08/2017 19:07

As an oldie, who voted to remain, don't be fooled by the lemmings rushing towards the cliff edge, which will damage you and your childrens future, shouting "the people have spoken, get on with it." We live in a DEMOCRACY. That means we, the people, can change our minds, now we are beginning to see the actual evidence of the lies we were told just last year. Write to your MPs particularly if they are Conservative, reminding them that we know that this shambles results from the Conservative party trying to keep iteself together at the expense of the nation, and that they and their party will not be forgiven, or forgotten, for the damage they have done. It will only take one or two Conservative MPs to have the courage to represent their constituents, rather than the party, and the whole edifice will begin to crumble. Believe it!

orlantina · 28/08/2017 19:10

given that most people in euro countries don't see any difference unless they come to the Uk, I don't understand your point

I think that's her point. Tourists coming here will find their Euro goes further.

bubbly1978 · 28/08/2017 19:11

I should have added that the referendum result is not set in stone, as Nigel Farage clearly stated in an interview with the mirror in May 16, when he uttered the unforgettable "If it's 48 to 52 then it's unfinished business by a long way"! Whats sauce for the goose..........!

Dapplegrey2 · 28/08/2017 19:12

Sherbrooke where did you hear/read about the £50 visa every time anyone visits countries in the EU?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 28/08/2017 19:15

I read (when i googled) that one paper said €5 which would last 5 years

Which seemed fiar enough to me

But the headline on that paper...oh my goodness!

orlantina · 28/08/2017 19:18

But the headline on that paper...oh my goodness

Are you suggesting that certain elements of the UK media were in uproar Grin

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