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To think that if you haven't booked a seat on a busy train

285 replies

MrsSchadenfreude · 26/08/2017 10:29

You don't stand huffing loudly about young people having no manners and children should be sitting on their parents' laps, and leaning heavily on people who have reserved seats? Train to Cornwall, Bank Holiday weekend, was never going to be empty.

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Nuttynoo · 26/08/2017 11:51

Actually Virgin West Cost is working on removing reservations from the cheap advance seats. It's not fair that someone who paid £24 for their ticket can reserve but someone who paid 124 can't.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 11:52

the people who pay the most for their tickets ie the walk on fare passengers are also the ones least likely to get a seat

That is an issue. As is the ludicrous system of buying separate single tickets rather than return tickets. I booked Edinburgh/London First Class this week. Trainline app was quoting £800 to £1000 for 2 adult returns ( not even open returns) Booking them as 2 sets of singles reduced it to under £400.

NormaSmuff · 26/08/2017 11:52

Travel by coach, its cheaper and you don't have to stand

TinklyLittleLaugh · 26/08/2017 11:55

You can miss your reserved seat because your train is cancelled
Or because you miss your connection
Or you can fail to reserve seats because you never travel by train and didn't realise how horrendous the service has become.

And if you are a bit older, or a bit disabled, then standing for a long period of time can be an absolute, holiday ruining nightmare. So yes you might get a bit desperate to get a seat.

It's not always black and white and enough with the ageist comments please.

Mittens1969 · 26/08/2017 11:56

Just ignore the twats, you paid to reserve the seats, it's their fault they didn't think to do that, so it's very entitled of them to complain. And as a PP suggested, headphones would be a good idea for such a situation.

BarbarianMum · 26/08/2017 11:57

Maybe if they only sold each seat once nutty and then sold any additional tickets as "standing" that would be fair.

AnneGrommit · 26/08/2017 11:57

Lass yes that's potentially confusing. Also how splitting your ticket can be cheaper eg getting a ticket to somewhere half way along your journey and then another ticket for the remainder. But using the same train. There is a great deal of stuff to do with buying a train ticket that is way more complicated than it needs to be.

YouTheCat · 26/08/2017 11:58

Yes, it is fair that someone who booked their ticket months in advance can also reserve a seat, Nutty.

AnneGrommit · 26/08/2017 11:59

Barbarian that is an excellent suggestion. And of course the standing tickets should be cheaper regardless of when you bought them.

Dashper · 26/08/2017 12:00

You should also sit in the seat you reserved. We witnessed an idiot on a 2 hour train journey decide he fancied the window seat rather than the aisle seat he had reserved. Mother and DS get on next, he's in her seat. After a good 10 minutes of him telling her she can sit in his seat, then ignoring her and her asking him to move as her DS is disabled and needs her opposite him, her poor DS started to have a melt down. He had sensory issues. Only then did the wanker decide to move.

SnickersWasAHorse · 26/08/2017 12:01

I'm amazed that all these people can afford to travel by train. Whenever I have looked into it it's always prohibitively expensive.

Herefortheduration · 26/08/2017 12:07

It's usually around £20 to upgrade to first in these situations, which is what it was on Wednesday this week, lol

I often get a £270 anytime return to London on the east coast mainline, as I can't always guarantee when my meetings will finish. I mostly get a seat but sometimes don't, I take my chances. I wouldn't expect anyone to just give me their seat when they'd booked, even if they're paying less than me. They are probably on a lovely family trip whereas I'm just having a boring work day.

Herefortheduration · 26/08/2017 12:10

Snickers the trick is yo book well in advance. Like I said I or my company pay up to £270 London return for me if it's short notice. However I got dh and I a £116 return, that's £116 for both of us, so £58 each for the same journey by booking 8 weeks in advance. A saving of of over £400 between us. I was so happy!

Luckymummy22 · 26/08/2017 12:11

Snickers there's are things to make travelling by train a lot cheaper.

Booking in advance (about 12 weeks) saves a fortune.
Going for trains out with peak times saves a small fortune.
And get a railcard.
We have got a family and friends railcard. We used Tesco vouchers so it didn't really cost anything and it has more than paid for itself.

MaudesMum · 26/08/2017 12:14

Another veteran of trains from Paddington to the West Country here! There is a problem in that a lot of reserved seats are never taken up - this is because you get a reservation if you buy an advance ticket but you can often use the advance ticket on more than one train. So, I have been known to sit on a reserved seat when the train is about to leave and no-one has claimed it. However the rules of the game are that if the person whose seat it is then turns up, you give that seat up with good grace, and go for another one....

flippinada · 26/08/2017 12:15

Yanbu. I regularly travel by train and always, always book seats if going on a long journeyI have to ask people to move on a regular basis. Most folk are ok about it though and move.

MarmaladeIsMyJam · 26/08/2017 12:16

Travel by coach, its cheaper

I'd rather pay the extra £20 and not be stuck on a crap coach for 7 hours!

RLBabyObservation · 26/08/2017 12:18

I'm on one doing the reverse journey. Similar scenes.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 12:18

Also how splitting your ticket can be cheaper eg getting a ticket to somewhere half way along your journey and then another ticket for the remainder. But using the same train

I forgot about that one. Although that works the other way round. I often make a 3 hour journey from A to B which occasionally gets extended by another 50 minute journey from B to C. There are no through trains A to C and they are usually different operators on the 2 legs but a ticket A to C is the same price as a ticket A to B.

Trills · 26/08/2017 12:18

Train companies could only sell tickets as "standing tickets" if every ticket sold was for a specific train.

It's not illogical that seats sold on the day cost more than those booked in advance. People booking in advance are deciding whether to travel, when to travel, etc. They are looking for the best option and if your ticket price is high they may choose to do something else. People who show up on the day want to travel that day. They don't have the luxury of shopping around so they will pay what it costs.

It is also not illogical that seats sold on the day can't have booked seats. The train may already have left its starting station.

tentative3 · 26/08/2017 12:19

Given the prices that are charged/profit margin achieved by train companies - and the empirical evidence of every single bank holiday ever - I also don't think its unreasonable to expect the train company to put on extra carriages and to have to manage it properly.

They don't have extra carriages sat around. Honestly, there are plenty of incompetent people working at all levels of the railway but the idea of using as many trains as possible is not exactly ground breaking. If they were available to be used, they would be. What you actually mean is that the government should do something about the ridiculous franchising system and invest in new trains and, where possible additional services. Even if there were extra carriages knocking about (or extra trains, most trains these days come in fixed formations, not removable carriages with engines) platform lengths are limited so you cannot just keep adding length to a service. For more trains to run, there needs to be the kind of investment that no one is keen to pay for, and that passengers are unhappy about anyway, such as the closure of Euston this weekend.

Maybe if they only sold each seat once nutty and then sold any additional tickets as "standing" that would be fair.

It would be impossible to manage. What about failed connections, would you be able to claim back the difference between a seated and standing ticket if you missed your original train? Maybe arguable if the railway is at fault but if you're not on an advance ticket and simply choose to take a later train, would you suck up the difference if you couldn't sit down? The admin alone would see ticket prices soaring. It would mean the end of walk on services and vastly inflate costs. What if you can sit down for part of the journey but not all? If you buy a standing ticket but there is unexpectedly some room on the train (see failed connections above) are you allowed to sit down or not? If not, who on earth is going to be in charge of enforcing that?

I don't disagree that bank holiday travel can be miserable, it's miserable however you travel, not just train. The railways need massive, massive investment but under the current franchise system the train operating companies both have their options limited, and have little financial incentive to do so - and however you feel about this, the fact is they are profit making companies.

A lot of people I speak to at work don't understand the franchising system, and nor did I before I worked in the industry so in no way slating them for not understanding, by the way.

RLBabyObservation · 26/08/2017 12:20

Costs - 3 adults,1 child, return Paddington to St Ives, booked about 2 months ago using Family & Friends railcard- £99. Absolute bargain.

SnickersWasAHorse · 26/08/2017 12:23

Like I said I or my company pay up to £270 London return for me if it's short notice. However I got dh and I a £116 return, that's £116 for both of us, so £58 each for the same journey by booking 8 weeks in advance. A saving of of over £400 between us. I was so happy!

It's still ridiculously expensive as compared to other countries.

To think that if you haven't booked a seat on a busy train
SnickersWasAHorse · 26/08/2017 12:25

I tried to add this but it didn't work.

To think that if you haven't booked a seat on a busy train
tentative3 · 26/08/2017 12:27

Apologies, ALittleMop, I've quoted your post and in my response to it said this: ' What you actually mean is that...' which upon rereading sounds incredibly rude. My ire in that sentence is directed towards the government, not you, but I can see that it reads as if I'm attacking you, which is not my intent at all!