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To think Brigitte Macron is a pedophile

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INFP · 26/08/2017 02:12

Apologies if this subject has been done before. But I came across an article where Brigitte Macron describes her love affair with her then 15 year old pupil where she goes on to say "when we became lovers is our secret".

AIBU to think this woman is a pedophile?

She actively groomed her FIFTEEN year old pupil. How is she different to Jeremy Forrest who was jailed for having a relationship with his pupil?

It is beyond disgusting.

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Papafran · 26/08/2017 16:58

I still think he is ahem, using her as his beard. look it up. He probably knew from age 12, and chose his partner wisely. No kids would appear geddit

Yeah, because 12 year old boys who suspect they are gay are very likely to make an elaborate plan to have an affair with a married woman their mother's age and eventually marry her. Seriously?

sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:03

Papafran.

This guy was and is a clever boy/man. Well maybe at 14 he knew.

And mapped his life out. Sounds ok to me, and BM was happy too.

Anyway we are only shooting the breeze here. They don't give a shit, and will just do what they always did.

Good for them I say.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 17:04

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed, "How it moves on to be equal I am not sure I don't personally believe it can."

I couldn't agree more.

sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:06

Seriously if Macron had any doubts he would have run to da hills by now or years ago.

They are still together. That's good, and hides a multitude maybe......

It is a very unusual set up though, young male, very much older female, that is what is getting to people.

No one bats an eyelid when it is the reverse.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 17:06

JAPAB, corruption of a minor can happen without sexual penetration.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 17:08

sunglassally, "No one bats an eyelid when it is the reverse."

WTF and F-OFF. If it was the reverse, you can bet that the older man teacher would have been sent to jail. Anyone who thinks that what she did is right, can only be a predator themselves. Gross.

Eemamc · 26/08/2017 17:09

@JAPAB age of consent doesn't come into it. If your are a teacher it would not be permitted at 16..., and quite rightly too. Teachers should be held to higher moral standards that is my main problem. I'm not allowed to be friends with any of my students on social media or I will lose my job...but I don't need a rule to tell me that is wrong.... I would not WANT to be friends with any of my students on social media, I couldn't think of anything less appealing. My students are not my "friends" I am an adult, there are plenty of other adults in this world for me to be friends with. I don't need to be friends with the children I teach... and professionally it is a questionable thing to do anyway.... and that is just in reference to being friends with the kids.... never mind having a relationship with them! It is not the age thing so much as the teacher student relationship which I think a lot of people are missing.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 26/08/2017 17:10

This isn't about affairs/sex outside marriage it's about an adult having a relationship with a child it's always wrong

So she agreed to be his beard to support his political career in order to chase his dream

Mmm I have heard the beard stories before

Not sure what there is to admire about her I think she is unfairly treated by the press about her age and she obviously does give a shit hence the youthful alterations she has so obviously had

Inkanta · 26/08/2017 17:12

'he shouldn't be punished or seen as abhorrent himself. He would be the victim of what I agree is a crime'

I doubt he is seen that way. People will have a problem with his ex teacher wife. The French don't seem to but I think the Brits would.

I mean - is there still a power imbalance? Is she still in charge?

sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:15

France is different!

Vive La France.....

sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:17

France is not sex obsessed like UK. It is just a natural thing to them. I guess they have great laughs over the headlines in some gutter press articles here about this one's boobs and that fellas appendages. They don't give a shit.

We are a repressed nation. Why I don't know.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 17:18

sunglassally, As I said, F-Off. I am French and BM is a sick pervert.

Peanutbuttercheese · 26/08/2017 17:19

I don't freak out about the actual age gap it's the fact of when it was and that he was her pupil. If he had been 20 and not her student I really wouldn't care.

In higher education staff are not supposed to have relationships with students and they are adults as all post 18 but it can be open to abuse and power plays. The classic I will have sex for better marks scenario.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 17:19

sunglassally, unfortunately you don't read french. go to yahoo.fr if you do read french and you will see how just wrong you are that they do not deride her as a pedophile.

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INFP · 26/08/2017 17:21

Exactly. It's the fact she was his teacher and in a position of power that it is so distasteful.

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sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:26

Gaelle,

There is no need to be so personally abusive to me. We are just having a chat and a discussion. You seem to be very upset by this.

Je parle Francais, but you will not find anything about this in the French press, Yahoo is not French, it is just regurgitating stuff. There are strict privacy laws in France as you no doubt know.

I think that is fantastic.

Macron and Brigitte don't care.

I'd say Macron is more concerned about his plummeting ratings than his marriage/relationship with Brigitte TBH.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 26/08/2017 17:27

We certainly judge extra martial affairs more but again this isn't about that

There are many situations where having a relationship is an abuse of power and the person in the responsible position is always in the wrong and their actions should be questioned . Teacher/student, doctor/patient, nurse/patient, therapist/client, prison warden/prisoner, support worker/carer and those they are supporting or caring for professionally

Of course many relationships happen in these situations and all thankfully are deemed unethical and absolutely drummed into you when training

Relationships should be equal when one is in a position of responsibility they are not

SchoolShoes · 26/08/2017 17:31

I don't care what she is called. What she did is all kinds of wrong.

I have boys and it would be as grotesque to me if this occured with anyone that much older let alone a teacher.

I can understand why Gaelle might be upset at the person being internationally lauded, no matter how many years have passed.

sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:32

I'd say the President of the Republic has all the power now.

And everyone is happy. It all worked out.

SchoolShoes · 26/08/2017 17:33

I don't think morality operates on an all's well that ends well basis.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 17:34

sunglassally, you must be a predator to give such applause to BM.

sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:35

I often wonder if she is the predator/paedophile she is made out to be why wasn't it reported by Macron's family or indeed her own husband/ex and children for this at the time.

Think about it.

It is really none of our business though is it.

sunglassally · 26/08/2017 17:36

Thanks Gaelle,

I think your issues outweigh my own right now. So I will leave you to deal with your own demons/prejudices.

JAPAB · 26/08/2017 17:40

age of consent doesn't come into it. If your are a teacher it would not be permitted at 16..., and quite rightly too.

Yes I am aware of that (though I am unclear if it would be permitted at 18 if the pupil is still their pupil?)

I was just making the point about such rules being based on generalisations. Which is fair enough as there is not really anyother way to do things.

But someone asked whether 'child-abuser' would be an accurate term, and do we know enough about this specific case to say so. As oppossed to just making generalisations about 'that sort of thing'.

Gaelle1 · 26/08/2017 17:43

sunglassally, You should refrain from generalising about French people. and it is obvious that you don't know the Macron story. Indeed, I am a bit sensitive about this topic being a mother of a teenager that has been victimised by such a predator.

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