Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To support my sisters decision of adoption

124 replies

sophiade2 · 25/08/2017 20:02

My 18 year old little sister has recently found out she was pregnant, the father wants no involvement. She says she was on the pill so it was not expected at all. She said she took a test after a missed period and assumed she was 6-7 weeks pregnant. She went to the hospital after slight bleeding and a scan determined she was in fact 21 weeks pregnant and told her the sex (a girl) she said if she was earlier along she would have had an abortion but feels unable to at this stage.

She is due to start uni in September to study nursing, obviously this will have a major impact on her studies. She confided in me and told me she is not ready for a child, not just financially but most importantly, emotionally. She says she doesn't want a child yet and can not visualise her having one. She says she never envisioned having a child in these circumstances and does not feel this is what she wants or that she's ready. She says she feels it is kinder to give the baby to a family who can really support it and want a child.

I told her if she did not want to raise the baby I would raise the baby, she refused and said it would be too hard for her which I accepted and understood. she then told my mother who offered the same thing, she also offered to ensure my sister was financially secure (pay her rent, buy what the baby needs etc) if she kept the baby. She explained to my mum that it wasn't just the financial implications but the fact she does not want a child. My mum started calling her selfish and wicked, saying how can she give away her own child and that she needs to sacrifice her life for this child now. My mum has threatened legal action to enable her to adopt the child herself, she has said if my sister goes through with this then she will be cut out of the family and no one will ever talk to her again.

I understand her and how hard this is for her I just want to do what's best. Aibu for supporting my sister and not my mum?

OP posts:
notaclooo · 25/08/2017 22:58

It's lovely that your sister has your support Flowers

Just a couple of things to add:
I have a friend who had a child adopted when she was a teenager. She genuinely believed it was the right thing at the time but the decision has really haunted her. Her birth son is now 18 and she is desperate for him to come forward to meet her. She doesn't want to instigate anything herself in case it is disruptive for him but she always says that she feels a part of her is 'missing.' (She has gone in to have two other children who she loves very much.)

This is a second hand story but within the extended family of a friend a teenage mum wanted her baby to be adopted but because a relative was willing to bring up the child social services decided that that was the right decision. The birth mother didn't have the final say.

I hope your sister is ok,

notaclooo · 25/08/2017 23:00

mrsdv in the case I have mentioned there social services proactively sought family members who may be willing to adopt the child as they felt it was in the child's interests to stay within the family.

AdalindSchade · 25/08/2017 23:04

Have a read of the link I posted above if you're interested.
Children tend to do better when raised within family of origin rather than adopted by unrelated parents. The courts have to balance birth mother's wishes against the best interests of the child. Legal precedent is that local authorities should explore options within the birth family before adoption although as the link explains this isn't the same as when children are removed through care proceedings

TheFirstMrsDV · 25/08/2017 23:07

Were SS already involved in the case you mention?
I am aware that the birth parents don't get the final say in anything as the child's best interests have to be considered.
I would be surprised if SS played the same role in relinquished cases as they do in ones where the child is being removed.

moneyquestion · 25/08/2017 23:10

Hi - no there was no previous SS involvement.
It was done on the basis that at the time it was believed (this was 4 years ago) that in the long term children do better if they are brought up within the birth family.
I don't know all of the details but I do know that the family had to go through a full assessment process before final decisions were made.

AdalindSchade · 25/08/2017 23:11

Social services have to get involved with relinquished babies as they have to accommodate them under section 20 until cafcass can get involved at 6 weeks post birth. Then obviously they oversee the adoption.
They won't pass an adoption through panel if there are family members who could have a strong claim to be assessed to care for the baby. That could lead to adoptive parents having the baby taken from them sp they will ensure those avenues are shut down before agreeing the adoption.
Usually birth mothers have contacted social services wel in advance of the birth and are offered adoption counselling.

notaclooo · 25/08/2017 23:11

Sorry that was a name change fail - ('money') - it was in answer to mrsdv

Ketzele · 25/08/2017 23:20

WomblingThree, the short answer to your question is that social services are (rightly) focused on the needs of the child rather than those of prospective adopters.

Ttbb · 25/08/2017 23:27

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Youvegotafriendinme · 25/08/2017 23:35

I think your doing the right thing supporting your sister. Your mum is more than welcome to her opinion, like we all are, but she shouldn't have said those things or threaten legal action.

Your sister sounds like an incredibly sensible woman.

My DM was put up for adoption as a baby because her birth mum was only 19. My mum is now 55 and they have recently reconnected. They get on amazingly and now DM has had her questions answered.

I wish her all the luck for the future. Stick by her, she will need you

JayneAusten · 25/08/2017 23:41

I would be surprised if SS played the same role in relinquished cases as they do in ones where the child is being removed.

I'm not sure why people have this perception that those who relinquish children are treated as self-sacrificing and noble and have their wishes granted? Social services are massively overworked and these are all just children whose parents cannot or will not care for them themselves to them. It's the same protocol for all. Literally the only difference here is that newborn babies are often easier to place.

But as others have rightly said, if there are any family claims they will be looked at first and no court will consider processing an adoption where there are any kind of legitimate claims being made for that baby, as we all know that that way lies utter heartbreak for adoptive parents. I personally know a foster-to-adopt family who had their baby taken off them (after nearly 9months of raising her from birth) because a family member (sister of the mother) successfully applied to look after the child, against the mother's wishes. Devastating for her. :(

Also, when it comes to adoption they will most likely contact the father as he will have to agree, and at that point he or any of his family members could be considered as potential families for the baby.

ThePants999 · 25/08/2017 23:43

I love the irony in your mother giving up on her child because she thinks it's wrong for a mother to give up on her child.

Toddlerdramas · 25/08/2017 23:51

I'm sorry but I think yabu, and the replies her are ridiculous.

This baby isn't 'a gift' for some imaginary couple who can't have children. Who knows the emotional damage this could cause your sister and the child. You simply cannot just give away a baby because you don't feel ready for it.

It also may come as a shock to your sister that she may not get the final say anyway. Social services are extremely overstretched and try to do all they can to keep families together. Any family members willing to care for your sisters baby may well have the right to.

Here in the real world there aren't hoards of people just waiting to adopt, and many adoptions break down.

I think your sister needs support to face up to the fact that she's having a baby.

SandyBeachandtheDeckchairs · 26/08/2017 00:02

As I am probably closer to your mum's age than your sister's I can probably relate to her response more. If my DD was in your sister's position I would be heartbroken if her baby was put up for adoption.

Your sister is in an impossible position, so will need your support. Wishing you all the best.

CoughLaughFart · 26/08/2017 00:08

Does your sister not realise that the baby could end up going to a family of pedos or religious fanatics?

That is ridiculously hyperbolic. Do you really not understand how carefully potential adoptive parents are assessed?

CoughLaughFart · 26/08/2017 00:10

You simply cannot just give away a baby because you don't feel ready for it.

Actually that's pretty much the basis of voluntary adoption.

Bluesrunthegame · 26/08/2017 00:16

I think your sister needs support to face up to the fact that she's having a baby.

It is clear from the OP that the sister understands she is having a baby. She found out very late in her pregnancy. She would have had an abortion if she had found out about the pregnancy earlier. This is all in the post! The OP's sister does not want a child, she does not want to raise this baby. Just because she found out too late for a termination does not mean she now has to keep and bring up a child she does not want. Surely the idea that every child is a wanted child applies here, as does a woman's right to choose.

There are many people who want to adopt. According to Adoption UK, there were around 3,500 potential adopters waiting to adopt a child, so in 'the real world' there are families this baby could become a part of.

The idea that the poster's mother should adopt the baby ahead of someone who genuinely wants to adopt and who has been waiting for a child and who is approved by whichever agency considers adoptive parents, seems odd to me. It would mean that every time the poster's sister visits her mother, she will be reminded of what happened.

So good luck, sister, and OP, good luck too, I hope you can both weather this storm.

VelvetSpoon · 26/08/2017 00:25

OP, I think your sister sounds incredibly mature and sensible. It's tempting isn't it in these situations to think that the mum has support, she should keep the baby and all will be fine. You think of women you know who had babies young, how they've done well. But not in every case. And who's to say if they hadn't kept the child, they wouldn't be doing even better?

It's not right for anyone to be forced or guilted into keeping a baby they genuinely don't want.

notgivingin789 · 26/08/2017 00:44

And who's to say if they hadn't kept the child, they wouldn't be doing even better?

You might as well apply that to all mothers...e.g. If they didn't have children their careers would of excelled...etc etc etc.

It's a difficult one OP.

Your sister ? is shocked and needs time to digest the news. All you can do is give her as much information as possible ! Adoption sites, stories, find information about how the adoption process works and also research in ways she can study whilst looking after a child, deferring a year, moving to a closer University, speak to young parents organisations.

The whole Adoption debate. It's hard... if she decides to give her baby's up for adoption, it is selfless and mature...with giving a baby to a family who can't have their own children. However, on the flip side, it's good to explore the emotional effects this may have on her and/or to her child.

justilou1 · 26/08/2017 00:55

I know the circumstances are totally different, but I went to school with a girl who was raped at 13. She got pregnant and her parents took control of everything. They insisted that she have the baby (she was too young to convince a doctor to abort it) and her parents adopted this baby and raised it as her little brother. The only problem was that everyone except this little kid knew what the real situation was, and she grew up completely disempowered by the situation as well. Her relationship with her parents was terrible and until she left home, every time she saw her "little brother" she had flashbacks to her rape, etc. Obviously her parents didn't get her enough help for that. In fact, they pretty much swept it under the rug and "victim-blamed" instead of supporting and comforting her when she needed them. She now has no relationship with her parents or her baby, and is very bitter and damaged.

emmyrose2000 · 26/08/2017 02:02

Who knows the emotional damage this could cause your sister and the child

As opposed to the emotional damage it could do to child being brought up by a parent who didn't want it, and treats her badly? (Not that I'm saying the OP's sister would necessarily do this).

But the world is full of stories of kids who are abused, killed, treated like garbage and generally made to feel like an utter inconvenience to their so-called parents. These poor children would have been far better off being taken away, or given up, by their bio parents and placed in homes where they are genuinely wanted and loved.

emmyrose2000 · 26/08/2017 02:08

a girl who was raped at 13. She got pregnant and her parents took control of everything. They insisted that she have the baby (she was too young to convince a doctor to abort it) and her parents adopted this baby and raised it as her little brother .... She now has no relationship with her parents or her baby, and is very bitter and damaged

That is utterly horrifying and disgusting. No wonder the poor girl is damaged and bitter. I would be too. The parents must have something fundamentally wrong with them to subject their daughter to that.

I always think how incredibly brave woman are who keep their child after being raped. But that is their own informed decision (I doubt I could ever do it). For parents/grandparents to make the decision on behalf of their own traumatised raped minor child is nothing short of abusive and sick.

emmyrose2000 · 26/08/2017 02:10

It would mean that every time the poster's sister visits her mother, she will be reminded of what happened

Bingo. I understand the grandmother's POV in wanting to keep her grandchild in the family (I'd probably feel the same), but at the end of the day, it will just be a constant reminder of what the sister went through.

Would there be plans to tell the baby that its "sister" is really her mother, or would the baby's entire life be built on a lie that everyone but the child will know about? Imagine the betrayal if she finds out as an adult that her sister is really her mother and everyone knew but worked to keep it a secret from her.

OP, you are doing a wonderful thing in supporting your sister this way. I have several cousins who are adopted (not by the same parents, but different members of the family). They were all "outside" adoptions into our family. A few went on to find their birth families, with varying degrees of success. The rest aren't interested. But the one thing they all say, is that they are glad they were adopted, and that they were adopted into our family.

For all the naysayers on the thread, all I can say is, there are a lot of children out there who probably SHOULD have been adopted out once the stories of their shitty and abusive lives with their bio parents come to light. And plenty more who simply wish they had been adopted out or taken away by SS after living with abusive bio/step parents.

Adoption certainly isn't a cure-all for everything, but it sounds like the OP's sister is making an intelligent choice based on her current circumstances and if she feels this is best for both her and her baby, then it's good that she has OP's support.

vikingprincess81 · 26/08/2017 02:23

Just wanted to add a voice of support, I think it's fantastic you're supporting your sister to make the best choice for her and for her baby Flowers

justilou1 · 26/08/2017 02:46

Sorry - I meant to say that your sister is going to need all the support she can get. She may change her mind and keep the baby - or she may not, and she will have to deal with your parents' reactions. Please be the person who is simply there for her no matter what she decides. None of the scenarios at the end are easy, or ideal and it's going to be a bloody hard road for her, and she will need you.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.