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Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon

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PerkingFaintly · 25/08/2017 15:08

"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."

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Natsku · 29/08/2017 10:53

Natsku, I bet they are loving this in Finland

Yup they are. Particularly amusing when Trump claimed that Finland is buying a bunch of fighter jets from Boeing and Niinistö later tweeted that that's fake news Grin

I reckon staff are keeping Trump to busy to tweet about NK and potentially start a war, maybe they've even taken his phone away (can but hope)

OuaisMaisBon · 29/08/2017 11:48

At a tangent, but I find it quite interesting, in view of Charlottesville and Trump's pardoning of a racist: Stormfront website pulled

Again, my apologies if this has already been remarked upon, I've not been keeping up at the back.

PerkingFaintly · 29/08/2017 11:54

Thanks for the link, Ouais, that looks like very new news!

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/08/2017 12:55

I think it's an very interesting thread but for context, I think he might have written it in response to the mensch article (in defence of her)

Eric Garland
Eric Garland @ericgarland

A year after America was hacked through information warfare, it's time for media and citizens to discuss "information ops."

All throughout 2016, the United States was subject to what the intelligence community quickly and correctly identified as information war.

Using foreign and domestic resources, the information landscape was manipulated through both traditional outlets and social media.

A year later, I sense that media professionals have been slow to understand the danger this poses - and how to improve defenses.

For American media in general, the sense of urgency has been unmatched to the fact that we are indeed in a new form of warfare.

Now. Today.

So let's start with some baseline information, so journalists and readers can ask whether they're seeing news or info ops.

And though emotions can sometimes fly, I'm going to start by saying: the distinction is subtle, and most of this is new.

If you want a good baseline, check out this brilliant, concise slidedeck from @NicoleMatejic who works with NATO.

www.slideshare.net/NicoleMatejic/social-media-pr-and-information-warfare

We've created an information environment that many groups are trying to manipulate while we as citizens are just trying to, y'know, live.

In fact, so many of us have grown up in the era of slick market research, that we can't think what it's like NOT to be manipulated.

You can go back to the pioneering work of Edward Bernays and see the genesis of "public relations" and psychology.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DnPmg0R1M04

For 100 years, advertising, PR, and politics have grown together to become increasingly sophisticated at hacking our psychology.

Not incidentally, that's about the same length of time Russia has had innovating the modern intelligence service.

So ops are 100 years old.

Speaking of which, I'm using intel slang here, out of habit. (It's my profession.)

What's the difference between a PR campaign and an Op?

Well, frankly, a "normal" PR campaign and an information op may share many hallmarks. They are shaping the public opinion - for someone.

Public relations exists to craft messages to hand to media, get them to adopt certain narratives so people will follow along.

Crafting narrative apparently has become so important, PR professional now outnumber journalists 4 to 1.

amp.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2012/oct/04/marketingandpr-pressandpublishing

You're probably asking, "OK, so what's the difference between a good press release and ad campaign and information warfare."

Technique.

If you know both fields, PR and information intel ops are very different in character, but in who executes them and what they want.

Public relations might be for a daycare or for polluters - but who they work for and why is usually fairly above board.

Not so with ops.

Once you get into the geopolitical space, things get covert, and the techniques used are more sophisticated - and recognizable.

I come from the world of competitive intelligence. Government techniques, but for companies. (NOTE: Maybe cloak, but NO DAGGER. Seriously.)

Coming from competitive intel, I recognize now in the Active Measures - info ops - used on and by the media - in some of our work.

This is why I forgive journalists and editors when they don't see the patterns - this stuff is usually hidden. So let's get it out there.

Here's an information op that companies use on each other. We call it "Blunting a launch." It's borrowed from Active Measures.

In competitive intel, one competitor will hope to learn about the launch of a new product: its feature, marketing campaign, MESSAGING.

You'd like to know what the competitor will say and above all WHEN, because this will affect your market space.

This is how you defend it.

In Blunting a Launch, ideally you obtain the date of the marketing campaign launch and what they're going to say about the product.

Here's the Active Measures part: YOU then launch a counter campaign like four days before they go live.

You can do any number of things.

You take the words they're going to use and have them mean something different.

You launch a campaign for YOUR product with the same words.

You know the competitor will change the information landscape so YOU change it first. Ideally, anyhow.

NOW: you've seen this in politics.

The thing about 2016 was that it featured EVERY MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION TECHNIQUE EVER CREATED.

Let's go back to 2004, though.

Karl Rove was a master practitioner of active measures, right up to the line of disinfo.

Remember Swift Boat Vets for Truth?

America's in the Iraq War - which ain't going great - and John Kerry has a GREAT story. Fought, but ALSO thought war sucked. Strong.

George W. Bush had a much weaker story. Stayed stateside, but was running a war, and badly.

Rove went active measures.

The Swift Boat story was packed with bullshit, but it went straight into Kerry's story as if it were the real deal. Control the narrative.

But then it got very active indeed. Somebody floated fake documents to CBS News intentionally about Bush's service during Vietnam.

Now, Dan Rather - who Republicans hated due to his tenacious role in Watergate - had done thousands of stories in his career.

And CBS News, 60 Minutes, all that: they're generally a very reputable outlet.

Now, for the rest of the campaign LIARS ABOUT BUSH!

So boom. You make up complete bullshit about a decorated war vet AND inoculate your candidate from criticism.

Issue contained.

MAN, you gotta hand it to Rove - Vladimir Putin couldn't have done it any better. Because of course Russia is the pioneer of that stuff.

Now, let's return to the current moment. We're in a media hangover after 2016's attack, and active measures are still EVERYWHERE.

Active measure: Somebody floated Rachel Maddow bogus documents from the NSA. And guess what story she's covering?

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-to-news-orgs-heads-up-for-hoaxes-985491523709

Trump-Russia was this audacious op that we strange, squirrelly intel people were screeching about for a year. And it's coming undone.

But this story is not coming out without a major fight. Somebody - and we'll find out who, eventually - is financing active measures still.

And again - journos and editors - I get why you're not on top of this, but call me, we'll do coffee. You're being used for active measures.

There are specifically timed character assassinations, for example. Ahem...ask anyone who front ran this Russia story.

Oh. Like me!

I ain't everybody's cup of covfefe, so I don't take it personal.

But there were classic active measures that hit me starting Dec 12.

Ooh! All the Russian hits!

  • Insinuate mental illness and/or drug use
  • Bot attacks to give impress of mass opposition
  • Collection and development of phrases to be repeated over and over: Drugs, grifter, etc.

Dude, it's all classic. Neat to watch!

But these active measures - or dezinformatsiya, konspiratsiya, provokatsiya if you want the original terms - are EVERYWHERE today.

Especially online - the information environment is a perfect battlefield on which to deploy these weapons. And few recognize it, still!

We've got fake experts providing the ol' "false moderation" ploy. Provocateurs stirring up maximum conflict between natural allies.

TONS of Blunt the Launch combined with active attempts to discredit certain voices. I could go on. Jim Clapper says: they haven't stopped.

America and its political discussions are still in vertigo because our information environment is flooded with active information ops.

‪I don't think we can ever go back to a world pre-social media, Big Data analytics, and weaponization of data. ‬

‪But we can prepare!‬

‪ ‬Within a YEAR from our political Pearl Harbor, there are new defenses such this tool to track Russian deza.

dashboard.securingdemocracy.org

The GMF dashboard analyses social media says, Hey, What Does Putin Want You Discussing?

This would have ABSOLUTELY changed 2016.

And going forward, perhaps us intel peeps can put together a Children's Treasury of Active Measures for easy review.

We have options.

To sum up, citizens, journalists, politicians, and others need to come up to speed on how this new world of information works.

As Barack Obama said in his last press conference: "Protect your democracy."

Now more than ever.

Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon
Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/08/2017 12:57

It also piqued my interest because I read this yesterday

www.politico.com/story/2017/08/28/trump-karl-rove-2018-elections-242074

Team Trump turns to Rove playbook to juice 2018 turnout

Republicans are considering putting hot-button initiatives on the ballot to excite the base when little else currently is.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 29/08/2017 13:54

Seth A's thread - he's still optimistic Mueller is getting there.

twitter.com/sethabramson/status/902313884891144196

twitter.com/sethabramson/status/902364119805952000

InigoTaran · 29/08/2017 14:01

Wow, Paris Jackson blasts white supremacists at the VMAs!

Teen Vogue (@TeenVogue) tweeted at 1:54 am on Mon, Aug 28, 2017:
in case you missed @ParisJackson's #VMAs speech 👇 t.co/eleIrwKNq2
(twitter.com/TeenVogue/status/901971250939125760?s=02)

PerkingFaintly · 29/08/2017 14:06

Thanks for that Garland thread, Pain.

Lots of really interesting links today about media and information. I'm supposed to be having a rest day, so excuse a few rough notes.

The first is that Louise Mensch seems to have got hooked by a hoaxer pushing out fake news. Hardly surprising, and it would normally destroy her credibility - except for me she barely had any, given her enthusiasm for conspiracy and wilful neglect about verifying information.

But it is interesting that Mensch has been snared by the hoaxer conducting pretty much exactly the operation of which Mensch accused RoguePOTUSStaff:

Louise Mensch‏Verified account
@LouiseMensch
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OK pinning; @RoguePOTUSStaff is run by Bannon and is an attempt at disinfo. Defended #Putin #Assad troll Gabbard. Unfollow them all
twitter.com/louisemensch/status/825562332432568320?lang=en

IIRC, she expanded somewhere that the point of the supposed Bannon/RPS op was to turn round at the end and say, "See, you lefty snowflakes would swallow any ol' shite and no one should believe anything you say" (I paraphrase!).

Well that's exactly what "Caitlin" has done to Mensch - complete with reveal via the Guardian (an interesting choice of medium if it was chosen by "Caitlin".)

It's also to a tee what Garland is describing, where CBS and Dan Rather were set up to look like liars about Bush.

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PerkingFaintly · 29/08/2017 14:21

The second thing on my mind about media and information is the contrast between this article

The far right is losing its ability to speak freely online. Should the left defend it?
www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/28/daily-stormer-alt-right-cloudflare-breitbart

and this article

Counter-terrorism was never meant to be Silicon Valley's job. Is that why it's failing?
www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/29/silicon-valley-counter-terrorism-facebook-twitter-youtube-google

The thing I've never seen - and would like to see - is extreme free speech advocates such as in the first article, discussing how to apply their principles to the material described in the second article as extremism and terrorism. This is important to do, if principles really are the overriding consideration. If they're not, and there are limits to the principle of free speech, then that's important to discuss as well.

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CornwallLass · 29/08/2017 16:25

According to the BBC, Mr Trump said: "North Korea ... has signalled its contempt for ... minimum standards of acceptable international behaviour."
Pots and kettles, methinks.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 29/08/2017 16:35

Mark Sweney
Mark Sweney @marksweney
Rupert Murdoch is to switch off Fox News in the UK as it's not "commercially viable". Nothing to do with probe into Fox/Sky takeover then...

Krishnan Guru-Murthy @krishgm
And definitely not because he might want the option of opening a Fox News in the UK one day, or rebranding Sky

cozietoesie · 29/08/2017 17:36

In Houston, the Addicks dam has started to overflow and levees are beginning to fail.

TheHeraldOfAndraste · 29/08/2017 17:39

Oh lord, he's landed in Texas.
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59a559e8e4b041393a2075e4/amp?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&section=politics

AcrossthePond55 · 29/08/2017 17:50

Herald Makes me feel even sorrier for Texas. First Harold, now Donald. What's next, a plague of locust?

cozietoesie · 29/08/2017 17:52

I hope your SIL is still going to be OK, saffron.

Fekko · 29/08/2017 17:53

Aw they love him in Texas don't they?

TheHeraldOfAndraste · 29/08/2017 17:54

I thought the same, haven't the people of Texas suffered enough?

Melania's shoes though Hmm. And to think of the hoohah over Obamas tan suit and Michelle in something sleeveless. The hashtags are great though #DisasterReliefBarbie #HurricaneBarbie.

lettuceWrap · 29/08/2017 17:55

Those high heels! Not exactly practical footwear to wear to a disaster zone Confused

Fekko · 29/08/2017 17:56

Never mind her shoes - is he wearing suede? Not planning on actually being outside then?

TheHeraldOfAndraste · 29/08/2017 17:57

Is he holding one of those caps he's trying to flog? Hmm

Fekko · 29/08/2017 17:59

They are such a pair of ding dongs, they really are. They can't event pretend to begin to understand or sympathise with those people in Texas. They just come across as a bit cold and self centred. Maybe they're not...

badbadhusky · 29/08/2017 18:06

I think Melania missed the memo about appropriate footwear for flood zones.

Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon
badbadhusky · 29/08/2017 18:08

Too slow! Good to see we're all Hmm about the shoes though.

Love the description of them as ding dongs. Grin

Roussette · 29/08/2017 18:09

Just watching them live. Being picky here .....flippin heck.. Trump looks ridiculous with his stupid baseball cap on. And Melania with her baseball cap with "FLOTUS" on.

Yuk... he's patting the Mayors hand and saying 'thank you for being my friend'