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Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon

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PerkingFaintly · 25/08/2017 15:08

"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."

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BiglyBadgers · 28/08/2017 09:06

Rather good statement from Mexico...

Trump: yes, we have no Steve Bannon
badbadhusky · 28/08/2017 09:17

Whoever priced up that wall chart deserves a Star!

TheNorthWestPawsage · 28/08/2017 09:25

This Twitter thread is a brilliant (easy to follow) explanation of why/what/how the flooding has affected Houston.
Really interesting details explaining that roads have been constructed to act as giant drains aka 'rivers' during floods etc.

A Houston floodsplainer:
(caveat, I'm not a pro, just someone interested in how my city works. If a real pro finds an error, please LMK)
twitter.com/corbettmatt/status/901959336850804737

Gumpendorf · 28/08/2017 09:28

Anyway, a really important story — but certainly just another opening, not the whole thing.

There's still the view that WaPo has it's big story lined up for when Mueller gives the ok sign. These are 'taster' pieces to prepare the country for what is to come. I'm being optimistic that Mueller gets there before Trump destroys everything.

Tillerson and Mattis's messages to their people about holding on to American values suggests there is a now a shadow administration. Is it being led by Kelly?

Thanks for the new thread, Perking. Still outraged. and still shocked by ...everything

Roussette · 28/08/2017 09:28

What a gracious statement from Mexico.

And look how much they helped with Katrina. They sent 500 troops and saved lives.

"By the end of their three-week operation in Louisiana and Mississippi, the Mexicans had served 170,000 meals, helped distribute more than 184,000 tons of supplies and conducted more than 500 medical consultations"

And yet Idiot Pres, whilst Harvey is raging, bangs on about Mexico paying for the wall.

orlantina · 28/08/2017 09:31

It's what good neighbours do.....

[ouch]

Lweji · 28/08/2017 11:55

They had to put the price tag somewhere

From the sublime to the ridiculous, comes to mind.

badbadhusky · 28/08/2017 12:31

Can we go back to Pain's post at 00.08 with Christina Wilkes two photos? The diametrically opposed barney I had earlier this week has made me question content that confirms my biases with more care. What is the context for the two photos - Trump 'alone' at his briefing and the busy situation room? Are we also being manipulated? (I haven't bought into the 'fake news' agenda but I am also questioning whether gratuitous misrepresentation of situations is fuelling the whole "the liberal media is against him" thing. This is what my relatives believe - that he is not getting a fair press.)

Lweji · 28/08/2017 12:36

What those photos show is that he is not directly involved in dealing with the situation. His minions are doing the busy work, while Trump is informed of progress, presumably so that he can tweet about what great work the Administration is doing.

This is the person who asked where Hillary was during Benghazi. Just saying.

Lweji · 28/08/2017 12:39

This is what my relatives believe - that he is not getting a fair press.

He's not getting a fair press. I mean, Obama was criticised for wearing a brown suit.
If Trump was getting a fair press, according to what Obama got and what he criticised in Obama and Hillary, he'd have been impeached by now. Hell, he'd have impeached himself, lock himself up and throw away the key.

badbadhusky · 28/08/2017 12:44

True Lweji. Thank you for the metaphorical slap to bring me to my senses. On that note, Trump wearing those baseball hats at the briefings makes him look foolish - like someone turning up to a black tie event in weekend casual. Unprofessional even.

saffronwblue · 28/08/2017 13:01

Makes him look like an overgrown small boy who has to be entertained while the grown-ups do the real work.
Thanks for the floodsplainer thread northwest - I loved it. DH is off to Houston in a couple of weeks to visit his sister. I keep warning him that it will probably not be back to normal by then even in her comfortable expat enclave

badbadhusky · 28/08/2017 13:04

I liked the floodsplainer thread too - and the replies from the woman in NJ who knows stuff about flood planning, explaining that practice had moved away from using the road network as overflow tributaries as it prevents them being used for evacuation. One of the responders mentioned the move towards raised highways for this reason.

AcrossthePond55 · 28/08/2017 13:42

TBH, I doubt very much that Scrotus even 'attended' (via link) that meeting. He probably stepped into a room at Camp David, snapped a couple of shots in that stupid fucking hat ("Get yours NOW!! Only $40.00!!!") then left to do whatever the fuck it is he does instead of 'presidenting' (probably wanking in the bathroom over that folder of 'positive press' he gets twice a day). And I'm sure the people in Washington who are actually, you know, working on things were as happy as hell that he wasn't there. I've had a 'boss' like that, where you thanked God on bended knee for the days they weren't at work because it meant you could actually get something done!

Just go fuck yourself, Scrotus.

BTW, my friend in Tx says that her town has had around 20" of rain. Her home is built about 3 feet off the ground so she's OK, but says she's sort of marooned due to street flooding.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/08/2017 13:50

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JUST IN: Trump approves Louisiana emergency declaration amid storm #Harvey - White House statement | Live updates: t.co/X5u9YMZAse?amp=1

PerkingFaintly · 28/08/2017 14:06

Oh I think it's always right to question whether material is just confirming our biases.

If nothing else, confronting the question reveals what Lweji said, that 45 is getting a vastly EASIER ride from much media than, say, Obama.Grin

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/08/2017 14:12

Mark Knoller
Mark Knoller @markknoller
To avoid interference in rescue/recovery ops, @GovAbbott says Pres Trump won't be stopping in Houston tomorrow, but locations further inland

cozietoesie · 28/08/2017 14:22

He'll have to go with the Secret Service on this one.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/08/2017 15:51

Alex Steffen @AlexSteffen
What Houston shows us, yet again, is that we live in a world of predatory delay.
Predatory delay is the blocking or slowing of needed change, in order to make money off unsustainable, unjust systems in the meantime.
For delay to be truly predatory, those engaged in it need to know two things: That they're hurting others and that there are other options.
When folks know they're unnecessarily causing damage, they have a moral choice to make: Do they find another way to make money—or dig in?
A generation has failed this moral test. Old people have mostly chosen to dig in their heels—and lie to themselves about what they're doing.
Whether we're talking about the housing crisis, the climate crisis, the defense of autodependence or the impoverishment of America's kids...
It's all one big dynamic. Older people getting rich—unprecedentedly rich—by dismissing their obligations to society & young people's future.
And in all of these cases, the desire to not be called out on their predatory behavior has lead to the embrace of alternative facts.

"Building housing doesn't make housing more accessible."
"Cars are here to stay."
"I pay too many taxes."

The result has been what we all can see: A nation whose neglected systems are coming unglued at the seams as it heads into planetary crisis.
Faced with that crisis, we hear the chorus of profitable inaction: gradualism, incrementalism and a "realism" that ignores physical reality
But actual based-in-reality realism is our status quo breeds catastrophes, and we need to remake the systems around us at breakneck speed.
We know the costs of delay are already staggering—but also that the potential for sustainable and widely shared prosperity is enormous.
We also know that we're surrounded by steepening problems: Every day, our challenges become increasingly harder to solve—speed is everything
We are asked constantly to cheerily ignore the lies that make delaying change possible, in the name of respecting differences of opinion.
We're told that change must prove itself before we undertake it, mindful of real estate profits, coal jobs, easy commutes
Well, pardon me, but fuck that.
All of it.
When the status quo is both destructive and deceptive, those working to create needed change owe those benefiting from delay exactly nothing
There is no moral equivalence in the choice of disruptive rapid action and comfortable delay followed by disaster,
Those of us who are ready to create a sustainable, equitable future have the wildest permission imaginable to deliver it however we can.
The time has long passed when we should presume good faith and honest intentions from those who embrace lies to perpetuate predatory delay.

If this crazy year offers us any gift, it's a note of clarity.

It's out of clarity that speed emerges.

It's speed that is our best hope.

We know that when the flood waters in Houston recede, that same chorus will start up again, that same bullshit will spin back up.
Whether we accept it—whether we treat predatory delay as normal behavior or call it out and demand bold, rapid change instead—is up to us.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 28/08/2017 16:12

BillMoyers.com @BillMoyers
At the rate Congress is confirming judges, 1/8 of all cases will be heard by a Trump appointee by end of 2018

billmoyers.com/story/trump-judicial-nominees-right-wing-legacy/

Lweji · 28/08/2017 16:13

I think it's always right to question whether material is just confirming our biases.

Yes, always a useful exercise. It keeps us grounded.

cozietoesie · 28/08/2017 16:37

It all comes down to Congress, doesn't it?

lionheart · 28/08/2017 16:48

I also think there is a risk that picking up on every little blunder/idiocy from Trump could feed into the sense of media bias and bullying.

There are so very many that they are constantly posted and reposted.

I imagine a Trump supported would look at the chatter and insults (tiny hand-can't-spell) kind of things and see him as a victim.

Then, when it comes to the serious criticisms and debates they are already disengaged.

orlantina · 28/08/2017 16:49

He's retweeting a Mother Theresa quote Hmm

Just rewatched CasaBlanca. This scene reminds me of people standing up for what they believe in - even when the other side is stronger - and has guns.