To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

[Ijustwantaquietlife]

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

As a parent of a child with severe peanut and nut allergies, it is pretty terrifying reading some of the replied on this thread. The majority of people are wonderfully understanding and intelligent but it is so scary to think that it just takes 1 ignorant person to put my child's life at risk. Peanuts are an airborne allergen, as my child knows and has experienced in a plane. It is frightening and painful, and with no medical help nearby feels like a flight takes a lifetime.
Re: the old 'never had allergies in my day' line; anyone remember the fear of children choking to death on a peanut that was rife in the 70s & 80s? Researchers now believe those children were experiencing anaphylaxis but not so much was known about it
I don't know if that is right, but that's what we were told at the allergy clinic.

Surely just ban nuts everywhere just incase. Bad times

I can't see why they're not banned on flights, it seems such an easy change to make. I like peanuts and don't know anyone with allergies except for children I've taught, but I'd hardly feel an eight hour flight without peanuts infringed my human rights (wine however... ). They're completely unnecessary on a plane, and it could potentially kill someone - it's just a no brainer really!!

Surely just ban nuts everywhere just incase.
So they should not be legal in supermarkets ????????

I have no problem with nuts being banned on an aircraft, none whatsoever. If it saves one life that's all good. I did say this already.

I have had many a cold and nasty ear/chest infections from recycled air in the cabin. Always happened just after arrival.

Ban everyone with a cold/virus from flying right now I say. Equality for all.

it is so scary to think that it just takes 1 ignorant person to put my child's life at risk

Exactly - don't ban people who ignore the 'no nut' announcement, actually arrest them! How is it not a crime to purposely endanger someones life just because it happens to be by an allergy?

People get more selfish every day...

Why is this even a debate? Completely non-essential activity in an enclosed space with recycled air causes mortal risk to some people... so get your head out of your arse and refrain from participating in this non-essential activity FOR A FEW HOURS whilst in that environment.

I've seen people complain that their DC aren't allowed to take nuts to school as there is a child in attendance with a deathly allergy. Rather than thinking about the devastating ramifications for that child, the adults working in the school who need to monitor the child, and the effect a death of a child could have on their fellow pupils, they moan because their DC loves nuts and they are healthy and easy blah, blah, blah.

People can cope without their nut snacks for a few hours FFS and I say that as someone who eats nuts every day and bloody loves them.

Obviously you can't ban nuts from every public place but surely we can use some common sense and work out situations where risk to the minority outweighs non-essential pleasure of the majority for a few hours.

For everyone questioning my 'why should the majority be penalised' statement - I'm not just talking about on a plane. I can understand on a plane - nobody's going to have withdrawal symptoms going a few hours without nuts. But like PPs have said - where does it stop? You get off the plane and can't have nuts/peanuts in the airport, or wherever, in case someone has an allergy. Then you can't have any in the movie theatre, then you can't have any in the office, your kids can't have any at school etc etc. So where does it stop? Should they just destroy any and all nuts and peanuts on the entire planet so nobody can enjoy them?

Say a man with a weak heart is thinking about running an ultra marathon, but he knows it could cause a heart attack and kill him. The other 999 runners really want to run the marathon. Should they cancel the entire even and not allow anyone to run in case this one man has a heart attack? Or is it up to the one man not to put himself in danger?

And to the PP who said I've obviously never amounted to much in my life - you have absolutely no idea about me, or what you're talking about.

Surely the current system of not serving nuts on plane as well as asking people not to eat nuts when someone with a severe allergy is present is a good starting point? If you then impose fines/ bans etc if anyone breaks temporary restrictions, it would allow for stricter control without a blanket ban.

A lot of people with nut allergies do not actually agree with blanket bans on nuts.

Banning breeds complacency, complacency can mean death - no one knows if people have had nuts in a bar and have dust on their hand and touch lots of surfaces, it does not help in any way at all to think things are "safer" because the flight is nut-free - you still need to maintain vigilance.

My sister's toddler once found a "sweetie" down a seat cushion on a plane - luckily my sister got to her before she put it in her mouth - warfarin is not great for clumsy toddlers! Planes are not clean places, so you could never rely on them being nut-free anyhow.

But for PC and equality reasons ban them in restaurants, in cafes, in canteens, in schools, everywhere. In the home, in the car, on the street, just go for it.

Sorry, but what are you actually on about? How is it anything to do with PC reasons? It's not a politically correct thing to be mindful about deadly allergies, it's called being a basically decent human being!

If they pose such a potential risk then yes, ban them on flights. Surely nut lovers could manage with a different kind of food until after they land? I'd hate to put people at such an easily avoidable but potentially catastrophic risk for their sake and selfishly for mine as who wants to be on a flight that has to be diverted to a different airport for someone to receive emergency medical help when simply munching on an alternative snack could have prevented it.

Definitely ban them. Everyone can live without a nut for a few hours.

But like PPs have said - where does it stop? You get off the plane and can't have nuts/peanuts in the airport, or wherever, in case someone has an allergy. Then you can't have any in the movie theatre, then you can't have any in the office, your kids can't have any at school etc etc. So where does it stop?

IT STOPS AT PLACES WHERE THE RISK IS AS HIGH AS IT IS ON A PLANE AND MEDICAL TREATMENT IS GOING TO BE AS FAR AWAY AS IT WILL BE ON A PLANE.

Ie, not any of the other places you list. Basiclly just planes really. Seriously, RTFT.

I'm assuming that the 'nuts should be banned everywhere' poster was being hilariously sarcastic. No one is asking for that.

Let me lay it out ever so simply.
Nuts create a dust when opened which can cause people to have an airborne anaphylactic reaction.
Let's NOT do that in an enclosed environment with limited medical resources.

This is also assuming one rogue bag of KP. Can you imagine the dust created when 300+ people tuck into their complimentary nuts?

Restaurants, supermarkets etc are NOT enclosed environments where medical assistance is a few miles vertically away.

Yes they should. They are not needed on a flight. Even nut particles can affect sufferers and be fatal.

I love peanuts. . That is a really poor argument. The race would not be banned because the other people running the race would not impact on the man with the heart condition. Whereas people eating peanuts do impact upon people with a nut allergy.

With regards to 'where does it stop', that is not an argument to not ban peanuts from planes where, for reasons explained in simple terms above, the risk to people with nut allergies is particularly high. Other situations need to be judged separately.

Can you not see this?

Senator,

Calm down dear.

The PP made a good point. It is all about control of the masses for the few, and it will happen at some point everywhere. And it won't be limited to peanuts either.

There is a vocal group out there who seem to have every allergy under the sun and will make sure everyone knows about it, and caters for them wherever they are. Nuts excluded, they can be fatal.

I have given up reading the goady fucker posts, but yes, all nuts should be banned on aeroplanes. No debate.

Say a man with a weak heart is thinking about running an ultra marathon, but he knows it could cause a heart attack and kill him. The other 999 runners really want to run the marathon. Should they cancel the entire even and not allow anyone to run in case this one man has a heart attack? Or is it up to the one man not to put himself in danger?

Why do people persist in making crap analogies like this and thinking they are challenging people who are "sleepwalking" into having their civil liberties stripped away inch by inch blah, blah, blah. I'm sure you have made something of your life and are far from stupid in general... but this is just fucking moronic.

For those who know, what happens if nuts are banned on an aircraft and someone opens a pack whilst in the Q to board, and discards said package before going to airbridge for example?

Hands full of nut dust. Will be transported onto plane.

So it really means that nuts should be banned from home and within the airport doesn't it?

It is impossibly difficult to police.

@kingfishergreen
Ok we get it!! Your cousin has a nut allergy! It's tragic! The world must know!
Here have a nut free

The ignorant and frankly stupid posts on this thread are mind-boggling.

Calm down dear.

Fuck off dear.

The PP made a good point. It is all about control of the masses for the few, and it will happen at some point everywhere. And it won't be limited to peanuts either.

No, they made a shit point. Which rested on a fundamental misunderstanding of the heightened risk in a plane compared to all the other places they mentioned. The reason you think it's a good point is because you combine stupidity with tinfoil hattery and an overinflated sense of your own intellect. A toxic combination.

Ilovepeanuts 18:00

If the man with the heart condition decided to run the marathon, it would be entirely of his own volition... he would entirely own the risks on his own. When someone else eats nuts on a plane in the vicinity of someone with an allergy when they've been warned not to, the person doing the dangerous action and the person bearing the risk/consequences are different people. Utter selfishness and contempt for others. One is risking his own health, one is jeopardising others' health... not really a difficult concept to grasp