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To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

999 replies

Ijustwantaquietlife · 21/08/2017 15:45

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 22/08/2017 22:50

antigonads

Have you reported it?

mirialis · 22/08/2017 22:52

Haggis - I understand why the GF's statements could wind you up if they weren't blatantly coming from some guy who thinks its amusing to be "devil' advocate" on MN. Just stop engaging for your sake and the sake of the general conversation.

Ta1kinPeece · 22/08/2017 22:52

Ban nuts on planes. I agree.
That is most politicians grounded then Grin

Antigonads · 22/08/2017 22:52

Nah. I'm not a reporter.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 22/08/2017 22:53

antigonads

Well then mumsnet will never delete it if they dont know about it,

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 22/08/2017 22:54

antigonads

Now i really want to know what is winding haggis up Smile

Andrewofgg · 22/08/2017 22:54

But I hope a male relative is not too worried about anyone taking their nuts!!

I think I will start putting mine into the checked bags Smile

sunglassally · 22/08/2017 22:57

Antigonads,

I commented on that hours ago, and got a decidedly nasty reply for my efforts.

I don't report posts, primarily because I think this site has the means to monitor things, and why should it be up to posters to do their job for them. But anyway.

Was a most awful thing to say. But it is an anonymous board, and we have to live with it and ignore some awful stuff sometimes.

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 22/08/2017 22:58

if they weren't blatantly coming from some guy who thinks its amusing to be "devil' advocate" on MN.

Ah right, form for it then? Explains a lot of the baffling and contradictory posts.

sunglassally · 22/08/2017 23:00

Andrewoffgg

Might be a good move. Await the surgery online lol.

LegoNinjago · 22/08/2017 23:01

"we would surly be hearing of people reacting/dying of nut allergies every day. We don't."

"There are approximately 20 deaths from anaphylaxis reported each year in the UK, although this may be an underestimate."

[4] Pumphrey RS (2000) Lessons for management of anaphylaxis from a study of fatal reactions. Clinical and Experimental Allergy 30(8): 1144–50

raviolidreaming · 22/08/2017 23:06

Some people can be assholes and will do just the opposite and open and eat them when told not to having bought them pre boarding. I don't know how that kind of behaviour can be overcome if they buy the nuts before boarding

It can't, so charge them accordingly if someone on board has a reaction. ABH, GBH, manslaughter; whatever charge is appropriate.

Isadorabubble · 22/08/2017 23:18

My young niece has a bit allergy and had an anaphylactic shock which has caused her a lot of anxiety. A woman on a flight she was on recently made a huge fuss when the cabin crew asked her not to eat nuts. My sister and niece had to move to the back of the plane so the woman could eat her nuts. I think a blanket ban should be compulsory. Nut allergies are wide spread.

Isadorabubble · 22/08/2017 23:19

Just to add the cabin crew explained why they were asking her not to eat nuts.

Willow2017 · 22/08/2017 23:19

Tak1npeece

Loving your determination not to see anything that disagrees with you. Why would an airline lie about an incident on a plane? There are more than the Irish girl if you care to look.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nut-allergy-girl-stopped-breathing-4050385
Does the Mirror suit you better?

www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/ryanair/Ryanair-bans-passenger-after-girl-suffers-nut-allergy-reaction/
Maybe the Telegraph is more 'substantial' for you?

Putting kids in hospital isnt enough evidence then what is?

Just that one possibility that someone could die isnt enough to stop people thinking they cant go without freaking nuts for a few hours!
I cant get my head around it.

LegoNinjago · 22/08/2017 23:46

Ta1kinPeece I ask again how many people have had severe allergic reactions on planes

"Greenhawt and his colleagues found that of the 3,273 participants from 11 countries who took part in the survey study, 349 reported having an in-flight reaction."

Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology in Practice

LegoNinjago · 23/08/2017 00:35

Sally " where is the evidence that peanuts can be airborne, or their dust?"

"The smell of peanut/nuts or peanut butter does not come from the peanut protein, and therefore allergic reactions should not occur just because you smell peanut or because there is an open jar of peanut butter in the area.

The only exception to the above is if peanut protein itself is in the air that you breathe. If a peanut allergic person breathes enough of the peanut protein in the air, the person can have a serious allergic reaction, asthma attack or anaphylaxis.

Situations in which this are unusual but can happen. For instance, if a large number of people are opening packages of peanut at the same time – e.g. when peanut packages served on an airplane – and the peanut protein dust gets into the air in an enclosed space.

Other examples would be boiling or frying a food with peanut, as minute peanut particles can then get into the air [through steam or oil particles carrying peanut proteins]."
Dr. Anthony Ham Pong allergicliving.com

Want2bSupermum · 23/08/2017 00:49

My cousins son had a massive reaction at school. The epi pen didn't work. Turned out a child in his class had a peanut butter sandwich for breakfast and had some on him upon arrival at school. My cousins son was extremely lucky that my cousin hadn't left the school when it happened. They gave him 4 epi pens because the first two didn't work. My cousin carries two on her, he had one in his school bag and the school had one in reserve but it malfunctioned. Another parent whose child has an allergy gave their epi pen. The school nurse put a tube down his throat as the third epi pen was given to keep him alive.

Not eating peanuts on a plane is easy. So simple and effective. If I am given peanuts on a plane I never open them.

Btljalrrl08 · 23/08/2017 01:44

My aunties friend had a very severe nut allergy and informed the airline that she was flying with about it. They assured her there would be no nuts on the flight. There weren't, but there had been on the previous flight and the oil from the nuts had got into the air con system. She died on the flight! This was many years ago now, but still it shows how serious it is for some people.
PP saying"surely you would carry an epidemic if you knew", if you only have 2 on you and they both fail to get the reaction under control, what else are you supposed to do? It's not that simple, for some people it is a matter of life and death.

alibubbles · 23/08/2017 08:00

I haven't read all the posts, but my daughter developed a nut allergy aged 10 over 20 years ago when it was unusual.She was blue lighted to hospital twice.

I would not want nuts banned on flights, nor would she, where do stop, - people banned from eating nuts in public like smoking? Someone could easily have eaten nuts and wiped their hands on a bus seat, train seat, there are risks everywhere.How do you control it?

My daughter has travelled widely to far off places such as the jungle in Peru, Borneo, Sri Lanka etc and lives abroad still and not come across a nut allergy like people seem to have here, they looked at her like she had 2 heads in some places when she said no nuts please!

I am caring for a 9 month old baby at the moment who has a CMP allergy and we are actively giving her nuts in some form such as butters, pastes, crushed in food most days to ensure that she is exposed to allergens.

My daughter was desensitised after 16 years and eats nuts daily now and really enjoys them, she missed them greatly as she had eaten since 2 years old until reacting.

Interesting comment about the nipple cream, I used one for 9 months she was totally breastfed unlike her brother who has no allergies and was bottle fed. She also had eczema ( gone by age 7, so typically atopic) and I was later aware the creams had peanut oil in it, whether that contributed to her developing an allergy or not, I don't think so until there is hard evidence.She still has asthma, but only bad in the UK, so probably pollution induced.

It seems that every child I look after now has an 'allergy' of some form, I no longer cook for all my little people as they all have different diets and bring their food which is hard to manage at times, but gives parents peace of mind. I believe a lot of them are self diagnosed too, intolerances due to early weaning - a baby is sick after eating something so they must be allergic, some of them have such restricted diets it can only be detrimental to their health.

Lucysky2017 · 23/08/2017 08:06

Nut allergy does exist. There is recent work as mentioned above that if you (under doctors' advice) give some nuts etc you can desensitise.

on the plane issue it is not too easy given how many of us eat nuts or might have them on our clothes from breakfast or even a few days before. My sons will bei n the kitchen crushing nuts for cooking stuff and that might be on hands etc. Surely it is just safer not to fly just like you woudl not fly at 9 months pregnancy? No one has to fly. It is a massive luxury. Why inconcenience the many when it would not work anyway as people eat nuts at home or it's down the front of the seat pocket from earlier in the day or remains are in a lunch box from their peanut butter sandwich the day before anyway?

Fekko · 23/08/2017 08:12

In not sure why people are so desperate to say no to a ban. It's not exactly against your human rights not to eat a bag of nuts on a flight. You aren't being deprived of food and drink for hours on end. It's a bag of nuts.

You won't die from a lack of nuts but there is a significant minority of people who can at the least get wheezy and have a rash, at worse can die if they come in contact..

Why wouldn't you agree?

Toddlers4HenDos · 23/08/2017 08:31

This thread confirms what I have suspected about MN for a while now.

A massive chunk of posters are simply nasty trolls.

Fekko · 23/08/2017 08:47

I hope to one day be on a flight where someone kicks off about not being allowed their human rights to trough nuts. I really do.

raviolidreaming · 23/08/2017 08:53

Why wouldn't you agree?

Because the right to a wholefoods diet of predominantly nuts, to have nuts with a G&T, to not be irritated by an announcement on a flight, and to never have to just go along with something for the potential benefit of others; they all trump those with nut allergies to be included into society by means of flight with minimised risk.