To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

[Ijustwantaquietlife]

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

DD has a peanut and nut allergy.

For those who would like peanuts to carry on being served on flights, this is what will happen if she (for example) rubs her hand on something that previously had nut residue rubbed on it, or if someone who just ate nuts touches her skin.

She'll get a rash.

She'll get a sore mouth.

She'll throw up, repeatedly, with no warning, everywhere.

She'll develop hives all over her body.

She'll start to cough, then wheeze.

Someone will jab her with an Epipen.

If we're lucky then the plane will be diverted somewhere immediately, and we'll get her into a hospital within the next hour so they can follow up with steroids and other meds.

If we're not lucky she'll die.

If you're on that plane, I'm afraid you're going to be badly delayed.

All of this could happen right next to you, while you continue enjoying that oh-so-important bag of peanuts with your G&T.

I'm sure it's worth it.

I'm a teacher and last year we had a doctor come and talk to us about allergies, because we had a couple of kids with VERY severe allergies so we got some extra training for all staff.

Increase in allergies due to a few factors, but influenced by: some developed from mothers not having nuts/peanuts during pregnancy; some people live to be children/adults now when they would have died very young before, so the make up a greater proportion of the population; more mass-produced cheap food that uses nut oils.

Only a certain % of those with an allergy will be affected by airborne particles. Others need to ingest whole bites. (Dairy is not so easily airborne)

But, as said by many, on a plane, the air is recycled, epi pens don't suddenly make everything alright, and having to land a plane asap is hugely disruptive to several planes' worth of passengers as it causes such disruption.

I cannot think of any single reason why someone 'needs' nuts so urgently that it is worth the risk. From a purely selfish pov, I don't want to watch someone throw up over me and have my flight diverted. I want a safe and uneventful journey to my planned destination. That alone (plus, I actually give a shit about other people) is worth 'suffering' from not eating nuts/peanuts on a plane.

I work as Cabin crew and I'd say on about 40 percent of flights we don't serve nuts dues to a pax travelling with an allergy to them, who makes us aware on boarding.

I've found this thread an incredibly valuable read.

Some people have so severe an allergy that they might react if someone on the flight had peanut butter for breakfast. It seems sensible that flights are nut-free- I think I can manage not to eat nuts for a few hours - but I can't imagine airlines trying to regulate what passengers eat before take off.

Having read through the thread apart from a couple of people I don't think anyone has actually said they need to eat peanuts on a plane. Most people don't give a shit whether they get to eat nuts on a plane or not. Some of the vitriolic responses are verging on the hysterical and actually not responding to people's comments! Unless someone says yes ban nuts, having a nut allergy is possibly the worse thing that can happen to you and anyone who puts a debate forward about other allergies (which apparently are just not as dangerous) or other just as dangerous situations or mentions someone will always just break the rules. Or maybe take yourself out of such dangerous situations! You are met with hysterical abuse. There's absolutely no point trying to have a reasoned debate with hysteria.

I can't believe that people actually come out with how much they enjoy nuts when there's the potential risk of someone dying of an allergic reaction. People are so selfish.

There are lots of things that I like doing that aren't suitable for the public to be exposed to. I can do these things at home rather than risk someone else's health or life. I'm not more important than anyone else.

This thread really bothered me. It made me realise that there really are some real nasty cunts on here, some of whom I had previously liked from other threads. I would never have thought they genuinely didn't give a shit about anyone else - and calling other posters 'hysterical' or 'dramatic' to try and get their point across just makes them look ridiculous and it's obvious that they can't think of anything sensible to say. Certainly made me think.

Heavens for the sake of someones life ban them... But what about those who buy at airports and bring on board ? Surely 'pure nuts' should be not sold at the airports either to again reduce the risk of them being taken in board.announcements are made but there are those who don't listen/understand or who don't want to listen and understand. I can imagine the retailers not being too happy either. There are so many snack alternatives now than in the past I can't understand anyone not willing to comply....

And to be honest if they banned dairy and everything else as well I still wouldn't mind. Why are some people so convinced they are entitled to have what they want when they want and to hell with everyone else?

It's really selfish.

I think banning nuts on planes is easy - and enforceable if you have draconian enough consequences.

But it's difficult to regulate what people eat beforehand. My son has eaten nutella for breakfast at a hotel and got on a plane later that day. It didn't even occur to me that it could be a problem until I read this thread and people were mentioning nutella. You would have to stop selling nut products altogether. I think if I had a nut allergy that was that severe, I simply would not fly, I would not trust other people to do the right thing, not because they're horrible but because it would not occur to them.

It's about our perception of risk - I have a severe nut allergy (tree nuts is bot peanuts) and am sitting in italy on holiday right now having flown. I had my epipen in my hand luggage and didn't eat anything on board. I have got wheezy in the past when Flatmates cooked with nuts so I do worrry about airborne allergens. And I've had skin reactions when using computers at work (almond oil in hand creams).

I didn't ask Ryanair to ask passengers not to eat nuts on the way over - now wondering if I should on the flight home.

I was in a TC flight Saturday an announcement was made not to consume nuts due to a passenger with a severe allergy. No problem, why would it be. Why risk it. Plenty of other options to eat.

Knotty

You can't risk assess for every eventuality you can't ban nuts everywhere or expect people to never eat nuts s hours before a flight but stopping people eatting nuts on a plane minimises the risk.

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SenatorBunghole

Oldest I think it is the airborne nature of the dust which makes nuts particularly unsuitable for planes don't you?

I don't think people understand how little contact it takes. Someone said to me "but don't you just inject like a diabetic?". There is little awareness of the drama of using the Epi-pen how it makes you feel how you have to go to hospital by ambulance after using it.

My DD's BF had anaphylaxis after cross contamination (untraceable) in USA last year and they actually didn't get the ambulance ($$$) as he is an old hand like you and his DM and my DD are both nurses. When my (other) DD has used hers we have always got the ambulance and they usually give her another dose on board.

It's not much to ask people not to eat nuts on planes. The same cross people I encountered would be even angrier if their plane was delayed for the ambulance I'd guess.

Yes very good Senator!

I can't believe that people actually come out with how much they enjoy nuts when there's the potential risk of someone dying of an allergic reaction. People are so selfish.

I really enjoy nuts.

Probably not as much as someone with an allergy enjoys living or not having a reaction whilst confined in a metal tube 30,000ft above the ground though.

Threads like this and a couple of others recently make me wonder when we stopped caring enough about others to do small things that really make no difference to us but make someone else's life a whole lot easier.

I've heard or reactions when someone has touched something that has had nuts on it - so a child touching a table outside a pub where people have been eating nuts.

I've never heard of it when someone has an egg or milk allergy so I assume it's worse when in a confined space where people are scoffing nuts and touching armrests etc?

I never met anyone at school in the 80s or 90s either who was allergic to nuts either. Of course that doesn't mean there weren't any. I remember the vegetarian option at a couple of the places we stayed on school trips being nut-based. Now I know at least three children who are allergic to peanuts and/or tree nuts. My children's school is nut-free. I think the reasons why allergies are apparently much more common these days are really interesting to look at. The first time I ever heard a plane announcement asking passengers not to eat nuts was this year. I won't be taking my peanut and chocolate cereal bars on flights in future.

Fekko yes it's the airborne dust which makes nuts particularly hazardous on planes.

My friend's toddler found dust under the seat and narrowly avoided full anaphylaxis by taking piriton.

Another thing I think people don't get is that whilst some may know no one with an allergy those of us whose families are riddled with them are not neurotic, allergies run in families. We didn't choose them! (Though quite how DD managed to find an anaphylactic boyfriend is beyond me - though he is lovely).

I would be happy with a complete ban too, a boy from ds school died recently on a day out to London after eating chicken that had been cross contaminated with nuts in a restaurant.

Ghosts - my DS was at school from 1985 with a boy with severe nut allergy which also affected his brother (the one who scrabbled around on the plane) and his father who was born in 1950s.

My DD was aware of a girl in the year below at secondary school in 1990s with egg allergy (she couldn't attend cookery) she was bullied and chased round the school with eggs. I also know a lad in his late 30s anaphylactic to fish. Maybe when it's in your own family you become more aware. At my DDs wedding we asked for allergy info and had allergies to several surprising things including avocado and coffee.

Now we have smart phones I have taken to showing pictures of my DC and DGC to sceptics when their faces, lips and eyes are hugely swollen after a reaction. That shuts them up.

ValuedOpinion The tragedy you mention has nothing to do with nuts on flights, has it? Short of forbidding nuts that cannot be prevented.

Valued whilst that's not about planes it does highlight the lack of awareness STILL!

We just stopped DD's BF putting a mouthful of chicken in his mouth at a wedding BBQ. He had filled in RSVP card with his allergy and they provided chicken marinated in sattay sauce. It wasn't obvious but luckily DD tasted it first.