To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

[Ijustwantaquietlife]

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

Iwanttobe8stoneagain - The original subject of this particular thread is not the suggestion that all allergens be removed from all public life. That would be entirely and utterly impossible and ridiculous.
The question was - should nuts be banned on flights?
Some people have taken the question to a whole new level.
As I, myself said earlier (and I am truly sorry for having to repeat myself, yet some appear to have not RTFT or are just ignoring the pertinent posts) my own DD has allergies. Some are for nuts. Nuts pose a huge problem on aircraft, because of the particular airborn oil/particle distribution within the aircon systems. She also has an allergy to celery. This does not pose a problem within an enclosed aircraft environment - no oil, no airborne particles being distributed. Celery is ingested, not breathed in. Nut oils and particles can be breathed in, as well as ingested.
My niece had a dairy allergy. Not a problem on a plane, as not ingested via airways. Just via consumption.

So the question remains thus: Should nuts be banned from flights? Answer: Yes, for all the reasons provided above. This does not include restaurants, cafes, coffee shops, friends; homes, walking in the street. Not a blanket ban, where a sufferer can escape the fumes and seek help easily, if necessary, but on a plane, where anaphylaxis is far harder to treat, if a medical expert is not to hand.

Is that so difficult to comprehend?

So because you've never come across one before, that makes it automatically made up and it doesn't exist?
Seriously. Step outside of your bubble. Read the rest of the thread and gain a perspective into others experiences.

....and maybe actually read my post! I was commenting on the massive increase in nut allergies, which just to clarify in case you are not quite with it tonight in your rage is quite the opposite of saying the allergies don't exist! I really wonder at times! I really do!

Responding to an earlier post (and apologies of it's already been pointed out) but administering an epipen does not cure the reaction. It merely buys the to get the patient to hospital for further treatment with steroids, anti histamines etc.
It's incorrect to say the severe allergy sufferer can simply administer their epipen and carry on as normal.
Anyone that considers their own need to eat whatever they fancy overrides someone else's right to life has to look at their moral values.

Evans, I get your point but when I was last in a cruise someone stopped breathing cos someone next to them was eating nuts! So do we ban them on cruise ships too? I will state again, for the people who apparently can't read my post in their rage, I was seconding a PP view that more needs to be done to find out why previously almost unheard of allergic reactions have now reached seemingly epidemic rates! I was also raising the point that other alleging exist that cause life threatening reactions but we seem to leave those suffers to fend for themselves. For example where would you stand with a service animal being brought on a plane where it might cause someone to have a severe reaction. I truely feel sorry for people who have such dangerous allergies but you can't control what others do. If a life is a stake, yes no reasonable person who engage in activity which would put people's life in danger, but you can't control everyone. If my DS had an allergy which could result in death and he was particular at risk on a plane, I wouldn't fly.

Nuts should be banned on flights. Nobody will suffer without a packet of nuts for a few hours but a severe allergy is life threatening. I think alcohol should also be banned or limited to just one drink as it causes so many problems.

I suspect the reason allergies are more common these days is because they are diagnosed earlier. Previously children used to die from choking, heart attacks, asthma etc which were caused by their allergic reaction but it wasn't recognised.

Responding to an earlier post (and apologies of it's already been pointed out) but administering an epipen does not cure the reaction. It merely buys the to get the patient to hospital for further treatment with steroids, anti histamines etc.
Agree, and I've read the entire thread and this seems to have been overlooked or ignored. It doesn't cure the reaction. It merely administers a shot of adrenalin into your system to stop you from shutting down and therefore buying time until you can get help.

So do we ban them on cruise ships too?

A plane is a confined and unventilated space. There is no escape from a threat. A cruise ship is well ventilated, and lots of areas to move round. Passengers can be taken off cruise ships easily in an emergency. They also have medical bays.

Nut allergies are more common than many other allergies and can be critical. It really isn't a big deal to agree that nuts cannot be sold or consumed on a plane journey.

I can't believe this thread.

I can't believe there are so many dickheads on here who think their right to eat nuts on a flight trumps the right of a fellow passenger to live.

This young woman in the article would have died had she have been on a flight. There's a young boy mentioned who became seriously ill on a flight because some pillock ate nuts near him. None of us need nuts for a couple of hours. We're not Guinea Pigs we don't need to graze all day long.

This young woman in the article would have died had she have been on a flight. There's a young boy mentioned who became seriously ill on a flight because some pillock ate nuts near him.

Exactly. Some of the attitudes on here beggars belief.

I agree and tbh thought they had been banned.

There are plenty of bar snacks you can have with your warm glass of shit wine that don't have nuts in them.

Shit I've just watched the video, that poor woman.

Loving the fact that people want people with allergies to get a train or a boat to their destination. Yeah cos we can all afford a boat to go to say USA, at about £2k per person and 7 days on the bloody sea! We all have plenty of holidays to waste 14 days at sea before we even consider the holiday!

But thats preferable to someone going without bloody nuts for a few hours?

This world is one fucked up place, selfish doesnt even come close.

There are several theories as to why there is a rise in food allergy. One is that due to the rise in c-sections the baby bypasses a coating from the vagina that promotes good gut bacteria. Another is early use of antibiotics in childhood which can strip the gut of good bacteria. Another, thankfully largely debunked is the hygiene hypothesis - anyone who has seen my house would know that is not the cause of my daughters allergy. My daughter doesn't fit neatly into any of the above. Allergies are often hereditary, myself and my husband have none. However, my sister in law is sick when she eats eggs, my mother can't tolerate eggs and it turns out that when she eats hazelnuts her lips tingle...So all good back ups for the argument that food allergies were always there; we have just got a lot better at diagnosing them.

I do not dispute that they are on the increase however.

I take umbrage that I and my allergic daughter should not fly. An allergic person has many limitations in life already. She can't eat out easily or safely. Parties are a problem. School is an issue. Play dates, sleepovers, brownies - all of these things revolve around food and we always have to plan and pack something different for her to keep her safe. She never complains but it sucks to always be different and have to eat the same old treats. And now you're saying that due to other people not eating nuts for a couple of hours she shouldn't travel? Thanks.

Fresh8008 Peanut particles are too heavy to be transmitted through the air. Does no one care about facts?

Errrrm.... can you explain this to my child's immune system?
Tell us more "facts" please

Sun
If you'll repeat one more time "Where will it end", I'll break out in hives. I'm allergic to bullshit, you see

YANBU and yes they should. That poor lady, that broke my heart watching that on This Morning. If anyone answers is no to that question, they are a selfish twat. Just knowing your pathetic want for a snack could actually kill or leave someone brain damaged is enough to not eat them and if not then well done,you are a disgusting human being.

Oh just seen, there are plenty of selfish twats on this thread. You should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

That poor lady, that broke my heart watching that on This Morning.

Didn't watch the programme, but agree some need to seriously educate themselves to the dangers of allergies.
Unbelievable some of the attitudes on this thread. It's not a game, or something that can be made up, especially when people have come onto the thread with first hand knowledge and experience of allergies of people being from 18 months old!

… nuts emit oil particles, which become airborne…
…airborne nut allergies are life threatening. It's the dust off them that can set off reactions…
…when you open the bag, clouds of nut dust and protein particulates escape into the air…
Clarification from posters is needed here.

Morphene
Having an allergic reaction to something someone else is eating is more likely on a plane because of the recycled air.
DeleteOrDecay
It's already been explained that due to the way planes recycle air then the risk of anaphylaxis is much higher than in pretty much any other setting.
All of the recycled air is continuously passed through filters in the cabin though. (not necessarily very clean filters)

DJBaggySmalls
IDK if anyone else has said this, but the airlines could filter the cabin air intake and change it more frequently.
Outside air intake is very small and not filtered. There’s no facility to ‘change it more frequently’. The recycled cabin air IS filtered.

A quick Google shows that fresh air is continuously injected into the plane and full replacement can happen in just a couple of minutes. That's quick compared to hospitals/offices/classrooms.
Unfortunately Google is not always reliable. Full replacement NEVER occurs. The quantity of outside air intake is very low pro rata. Did your found article mention bleed air? (you cannot breathe the air at cruising altitude, hence the dropdown masks if cabin pressure drops, plus immediate rapid descent)

nuts emit oil particles, which become airborne, which in turn are sucked into and then puked back out of, the air-conditioning units of aeroplanes.
This is scientifically incorrect, and also technically incorrect.

I have had many a cold and nasty ear/chest infections from recycled air in the cabin. Always happened just after arrival.
It is not the recycled air causing this, it is your sinuses drying out in the lower cabin pressure. Dry sinuses are highly vulnerable to infection.

No interpretation?
When I was at school in the 80s/90s I never came across anyone with a nut allergy.
So because you've never come across one before, that makes it automatically made up and it doesn't exist? (italics = interpretation)

I also just try to put my point across in a polite way as far as possible. I hope this does not upset people.

As for posters claiming ‘no debate’ – this is a forum for umm debate…

Wtf can people really not go with out nuts for a few hours ffs? Incredible.

Wtf can people really not go with out nuts for a few hours ffs? Incredible

Yep, because according to this thread airborne allergies don't really exist, that they're a myth.
I just say that they are so lucky not to have suffered allergies themselves.

This thread has made feel really sick, to think that some people would consider their want to eat nuts on a plane, or their child's peanut butter sandwich at school, or their annoyance at perceived attention seeking more important than the life of my child is really hard to accept

He already has to forgo so many things (eating out, eating at friends' parties, at the cinema) and we and he constantly worry, how could you begrudge us a little less life-theatrning risk? a little less anxiety? what does it really cost you?

My son's last reaction was caused by a mother at his school, who decided that nut allergies are all a fad, so she not only put nuts in a cake she sent to a school which has a ban on nuts, but she on purpose did not tell anybody there she had done so.

So my son diligently asked if he could have the cake and was reassured by the teacher it would be ok. It was not. You should have seen the poor teacher's expression, she felt so guilty and responsible when she had clearly done nothing wrong. Not to mention the poor child whose mother had sent the cake, she was mortified poor darling. In her eyes, she had made her friend sick. Who does that? who can be so arrogant to risk the life of a child because they "know better", and it's all a fad anyway?

My DS's friends are so sweet about it, they all watch what they eat and make sure they wash their hands and face after eating before they touch him just in case (because despite what some posters say here nobody expects a ban everywhere, just where it is most dangerous, like planes!), they could teach some of the adults on this thread about altruism and humanity, shame on you

It really worries me that there are people so bloody ignorant on this subject. Worse, those that know the dangers and mock those who suffer. What happens goady fuckers when one day your ignorance kills or severely injures someone highly allergic? What if you have a baby that you discover has an extreme allergy? Won't be so fucking smug then I hope,

No,this lady was not on a plane but there are people so allergic that nuts even in the same area as them can be fatal. Are you really that dumb? You've all shown your true selves tonight. Well done.

I'd be happy with a ban.

I feel sorry for anyone with a nut allergy, or any allergy really.

The problem is, you just can't rely on everyone doing the right thing. You could announce to the plane that there is someone with a nut allergy and can everyone not eat nuts. But you cannot rely on everyone doing as asked.

We can go a few hours without nuts, surely?