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To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

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Ijustwantaquietlife · 21/08/2017 15:45

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

OP posts:
bruffin · 21/08/2017 21:04

"Although nut allergy is real and scary for parents and sufferers – it can’t for practical purposes be transmitted through the air enough to cause these severe reactions. Researching the story for my new book, The Diet Myth, I spoke to several of the world’s leading food allergy consultants including Adam Fox, a consultant in paediatric allergy at St Thomas’ Hospital. He and colleagues who have worked for many years testing thousands of children with severe allergic reactions had “never heard of nut vapours causing these severe reactions”. Peanut particles are heavy and although can form dust on surfaces, studies have been unable to detect peanut particles in the air or the key allergens in the air in sufficient amounts to cause a reaction." theconversation.com/the-myth-of-flying-peanuts-not-so-deadly-after-all-44687

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 21/08/2017 21:05

For the tiny amount of people who have allergies, intolerances and so on, the majority have to suffer

Ban everyone with a cold/virus from flying right now I say. Equality for all

I fully support a ban on nuts on board an aircraft

OK, found it. As you were. Clearly showing that you're not onboard with no nuts. Nobody on board with it would come out with statements like you have.

Fozzleyplum · 21/08/2017 21:06

There is some incredible rubbish being spouted by some posters on this thread. I declare an interest, as I have a DS who is anaphylactic to certain types of tree nut.

If you have no personal experience of this type of allergy, the account of how easily a life-threatening reaction can be started, can seem implausible. Peanuts are a particular risk because they are more dusty than other nuts. As other posters have explained, some people do suffer a reaction from airborne particles, and the recycled air in a plane increases the risk of this.

A bigger risk is accidental ingestion of a tiny quantity of the allergen. Imagine you are allergic to peanuts and you visit a pub where peanuts are sold and eaten. Anyone who has handled peanuts (eg a bartender, someone who picks up your glass by mistake, someone opening a loo door after they have had their hand in a bag of peanuts)could leave a trace on your glass, or on a surface that you touch,. Once you ingest that, and it would be only a trace, you risk anaphylactic shock. This is not far-fetched - it has happened to us, and to someone we know.

Imagine how much increased this risk is on a plane where nuts are served. It's a tiny space in which a high proportion of the passengers would eat the nuts provided, then handle the armrests and backs of seats, loo door handles, taps, safety cards, you name it. And planes are often cursorily cleaned between trips, so there can be an accumulation of allergens.

This really is not the allergic being precious or attention seeking. And as for the cause and why these allergies are increasingly commonplace , not even the consultant who treats my son could give an explanation. In our case, it certainly wasn't caused by obsessive cleanliness - he was the most disgusting, mud-covered, dog-snogging child you could wish for.

MaidOfStars · 21/08/2017 21:15

I don't have a problem with sacrificing any nut-based snacks on plane journeys.

But this thread promoted a discussion between husband and I about air cleanliness on planes (and whether HEPA filters etc are used). A quick Google shows that fresh air is continuously injected into the plane and full replacement can happen in just a couple of minutes. That's quick compared to hospitals/offices/classrooms.

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 21/08/2017 21:16

bruffin -
people DIE from inhaling peanut dust.
Just read through your link, and where does it say that it didn't really happen to 4 year old Fae?
It doesn't.
It completely skims over the fact it did happen in this case, (does a 4 year old put it on or make it up? Do they hell, they wouldn't know what it was.)and goes straight onto why we are suddenly overcome by more allergies.
Which is a different debate altogether.

sunglassally · 21/08/2017 21:18

I don't know what the problem is. Ban nuts on a plane. No one wants to see anyone in distress or dying. That is an easy thing to do.

People are getting fired up here.

If the ban on nuts doesn't happen before you fly, go by boat or train.

It is your responsibility to keep your family safe. Not ours.

paq · 21/08/2017 21:20

I misread the thread title and wondered why nuns should no longer be allowed to fly 😳

sunglassally · 21/08/2017 21:23

MaidOfStars,

Do not expect too many to acknowledge that fact about change of air on a plane.

But in fairness other places can open their windows if necessary. Do all offices, hospitals, classrooms and so on have air con and/or air exchange every ten minutes or so.

bruffin · 21/08/2017 21:25

Show me a documented case of someone inhaling peanut dust.
One of the points about fae was that she had multiple allergies, it may not have even been anything to do with peanuts, as i said above a friend had anaphylaxis from a cheese sandwich on a plane.

sunglassally · 21/08/2017 21:26

paq

That gave me a laugh!

But hush, there are some on here who are very annoyed that a peanut would be within a mile of them. On a plane though. So that would be after parking, going to departures and eating with the great unwashed, and Queuing with same, and getting on plane only to find.

A PEANUT!

Samoyedydog · 21/08/2017 21:27

I really can't believe people are saying things like 'but I enjoy nuts with my G&T' etc. You know we could be talking about someone actually dying here!? This is just mental to read honestly.

swimlyn · 21/08/2017 21:27

I wouldn’t bother any more sunglassally.

Some posters here clearly want to ‘interpret’ what you said and ‘cherry-pick’ posts to suit their particular angry stance on here.

It happens on all internet forums – some more than others. Smile

Tapandgo · 21/08/2017 21:27

For the tiny amount of people who have allergies, intolerances and so on, the majority have to suffer

Who on earth would consider it 'suffering' to forgo a bag of nuts on a flight? Geez

sunglassally · 21/08/2017 21:30

@swimlyn

Thank you.

I don't mind at all. I just try to put my point across in a polite way as far as possible.

It's a jungle out there!

Samoyedydog · 21/08/2017 21:33

People are like this about other things too, I have asthma and sometimes if someone starts smoking in the room with me I say 'oh, I have asthma' they say 'it's ok I'll just open the window' or my friend 'it's ok I'll blow it away from you' Confused or air freshners, I have a quite bad reaction to these I ask them not to but they just spray and say 'I'll only spray a bit' if you've never suffered with this sort of thing I guess you don't understand what it's like to struggle to breathe Hmm

PrincessLeia80 · 21/08/2017 21:34

Where there is a person with an allergy to nuts or anything else for that matter on the flight it should be fine to prevent nuts on that plane. However if you ban nuts on all flights what comes next I have a friend who has several severe allergies including gluten and dairy. She was highly allergic to garlic and simply breathing on her made her violently sick! The question would be where do you stop?

Wilburissomepig · 21/08/2017 21:35

Who on earth would consider it 'suffering' to forgo a bag of nuts on a flight? Geez

Oh come now @Tapango, surely you don't expect someone to forego their little pack of stale nuts with their drink just to save someone else from possibly dying? That would be ... totally reasonable.

Wilburissomepig · 21/08/2017 21:36

PrincessLeia80, with respect, being 'voilently sick' is pretty awful, but it's really not the same as dying.

FunkyFantasticFudgeball · 21/08/2017 21:40

I feel a bit sick reading this thread. My lovely little baby reacted to peanut the first time she ate it at 6 months old, second time at 7 months when her dad inadvertently ate a cereal with peanut in it while sitting beside her. She's allergic to a specific protein in peanut ARAH2 which makes her allergy the more severe type. I am TERRIFIED of what the future holds. Our allergy specialist told us to go home and thoroughly Hoover carpets where peanuts may have been opened because the protein is so persistent.

For the record I ate peanuts while pregnant and breastfeeding, I followed all the rules when weaning her and I don't own any do products! She joins my aunt, uncle and cousin who all have anaphylactic allergies (even though they supposedly didn't exist 20 years ago). According to the most current research her allergy is probably caused by her eczema, she has to have a nut mix that I prepare and give to her twice a week so she didn't develop a life threatening allergy to tree nuts. There's a 50% chance of that happening otherwise. My older daughter used to eat peanut butter out of a jar with a spoon, now she checks with people if foods contain peanut because she knows she could cause a reaction in her baby sister

Redpriestandmozart · 21/08/2017 21:43

Totally shocked at some people's attitudes on here, the life of a person trumps your love of peanuts on a flight.

I have the utmost regard for any parent who polices their allergic child around morons who couldn't care less, I can't even begin to imagine how difficult it must be.

I would find it very hard to trust any restaurant as it surprises me how many chefs are unaware that dairy & eggs are not the same and that fish isn't vegan. I have a tough enough time as a vegan eating out, I could never trust anyone to make me food if I had an allergy.

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 21/08/2017 21:45

But hush, there are some on here who are very annoyed that a peanut would be within a mile of them. On a plane though.

Therefore showing exactly that you're not "all for" bans on planes at all regardless of what you say.
Here's hoping you or any of your family don't fall foul to an allergy.

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 21/08/2017 21:46

Who on earth would consider it 'suffering' to forgo a bag of nuts on a flight? Geez

Selfish, self absorbed arseholes or goady twats/trolls, that's who.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/08/2017 21:47

swimlyn

I dont think anyone is interpreting certain posts on here

Just repeating them

4691IrradiatedHaggis · 21/08/2017 21:49

I feel a bit sick reading this thread. My lovely little baby reacted to peanut the first time she ate it at 6 months old, second time at 7 months when her dad inadvertently ate a cereal with peanut in it while sitting beside her.

Flowers How those saying airborne isn't a thing when faced with stories like this is beyond me. 7 months old can't react for attention.
DesignedForLife · 21/08/2017 21:49

YANBU. They should be banned.