To think they should just ban nuts on all flights

[Ijustwantaquietlife]

Just reading this and it's heartbreaking, seems like such a simple change to ban nuts on all flights to help protect people.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

I've heard several people on mn saying they've been on flights where they were banned, seams to make sense as nut allergies are so widespread to just ban all together imo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4809148/Former-ITV-producer-reveals-shocking-effect-nut-allergy.html

The parents of the woman on this morning are backing the banning of nuts on planes after a boy nearly died from some arse opening a packet next to him despite the airline knowing he had a peanut allergy and handed them out by the packet full to passengers.

Another woman also had a severe reaction in a plane and was on oxygen, eyes streaming, hard to breath and some fucking idiot of a woman sitting next to her, knowing full well what was wrong with her, opened her second packet of peanuts and ate them!

I despair of the human race sometimes. Risking someones life for a pacjet of frigging peanuts.

My ds has nut and seed allergies and agree with bluntness in that there are a lot of myths around airnourne allergies

Aireborne allergies a myth?! Says who? You?! Suffer from one, do you?
I don't suffer from a life threatening allergy (thank goodness) but I can tell you that airborne allergies DO exist.
Anyone frying an egg in the same room as me will have my eyes closing up and throat tingling.
I don't even have to be eating it to be affected. So I have utmost sympathy with all those who do have a life threatening allergy, as it doesn't take much of a leap to be able to imagine that some's throats could close up instead of their eyes.
Must be terrifying for them reading this thread to see the amount of ignorant, fuckwittery on here.

If I have been nibbling peanuts in the bar or before I even got to the airport I will have peanut residue on my fingers and in my mouth through which I like breathing. Someone deliberately eating nuts when asked not to is fifty sorts of arsehole tolled into one but let's not pretend we can make the air in a plane nut-free.

Say a man with a weak heart is thinking about running an ultra marathon, but he knows it could cause a heart attack and kill him. The other 999 runners really want to run the marathon. Should they cancel the entire even and not allow anyone to run in case this one man has a heart attack? Or is it up to the one man not to put himself in danger?

What a stupid analogy.

You said previously why should the 299 people go without nuts just to save the life of the 1 who is allergic to them.

The difference here is that the 'running man' CHOSE to run in the race, a person with an allergy DOESNT GET TO CHOSE.
The other runners are not in any way affecting the 'running man' their running doesnt cause his heart attack, HIS running might.

Senator.

At least you are trying to debate, albeit with a few expletives thrown in for good measure. Very much appreciate that anyway!

No my point was (if you read it properly....) risk in a plane is one thing, but where does it end? Outside the plane, in the Q, in the car/train/bus to the airport/in the crappy restaurants in the concourse.

I fully support a ban on nuts on board an aircraft. But I really don't think that solves the issue overall.

Trying to debate? No, I'm succeeding.

Ultimately, as is very clear, the argument that we shouldn't bother reducing any risk we can't eliminate is too silly to entertain.

I sense that some on here are getting off on the outrage their monumentally thick as mince statements are provoking. I'd have sidled away from them along time ago if I'd had the misfortune to engage them in conversation at a bus stop or at the checkout. Don't waste any more energy folks and just pray to God you don't end up sitting next to them on a plane - nut allergy or no nut allergy!

Someone deliberately eating nuts when asked not to is fifty sorts of arsehole tolled into one but let's not pretend we can make the air in a plane nut-free.

I don't think anyone is saying that they should make the air in a plane completely nut free, because as you say that would be completely impossible.
However, not selling/giving out packets of nuts on the plane (enclosed) is just plain common sense.

Say a man with a weak heart is thinking about running an ultra marathon, but he knows it could cause a heart attack and kill him. The other 999 runners really want to run the marathon. Should they cancel the entire even and not allow anyone to run in case this one man has a heart attack? Or is it up to the one man not to put himself in danger?

A better analogy would be if the other runners forced the man with the weak heart to run the marathon against his wishes.

Unless of course you are proposing that anyone with an allergy should never leave their home 'just in case' it puts someone on a plane cant eat nuts for a couple of hours.

You do know that some people have allergies that do not occur until something triggers them, they could be 30 and not be allergic to something then suddenly they are? Maybe we had all better stay home then?
(FTR I know someone who was never allergic to bee stings until they were 30 then one day bang! Swelling throat, redness all over, eyes streaming and Dr pdq. They now carry an epi pen after testing discoverd they are now higly allergic to stings. Right out of the blue, so I would be careful it could be you on that plane asking for everyone not to eat nuts next.)

Fucking hell , the hysteria on here and the AGGRESSION by some !! On BOTH sides of the debate I must add.

It is hardly a hardship to go without Peanuts (or any other nut) for a few hours on a plane . Give and take .

I have no nut allergies, I know nobody who has one, BUT I would damn not put a child or older persons life at risk just to eat some nuts on a plane.

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Yes it is common sense to not sell packets of nuts on a plane. No problem with that at all, makes perfect sense to do this rather than announce it before take off when some might already have opened their packets of nuts to chomp on already. Or indeed may have indulged prior to boarding.

But that won't solve the problem really.

Has to be a boat or a private plane, or staycation otherwise where will it all end.

Sally, this issue isn't a fun debating club... this is life and death for many affected people. You're treating this debate as if it's a bit of a sportive lark... other people are trying to put their points across that it's about the mortal wellbeing of their loved ones and themselves. XIth form debating room that way please>>>

I read the article but why should they be banned from flights? She reacted after ingesting nuts in a restaurant

Now rtft to answer your question.

I wish I hadn't read this thread. The ignorance and lack of empathy of some posters about allergies and epi-pens is just breath-taking.

My son is 7 and has serious allergies to peanuts and some tree nuts. We found out the hard way (i.e. Anaphylaxis) when he was 3.

We often encounter people, even friends and family members, who just don't 'get' how serious his allergy is, and I often bend over backwards to make sure we're not causing too much of an inconvenience when we go out - take our own food etc. I feel like crying thinking that those people might have the same views as some of the posters here.

From SunglassAlly
For the tiny amount of people who have allergies, intolerances and so on, the majority have to suffer

Ban everyone with a cold/virus from flying right now I say. Equality for all

I fully support a ban on nuts on board an aircraft

Yep. No conflicting statements in there at all.... erm....

But no-one would uphold a similar ban on dairy products which can also have the same kinds of reactions, because it would be much harder to expect people to go without cheese for instance, or dairy based spreads, or to request that babies not be fed milk on a plane, and yet the life of the dairy allergic person is surely just as valid as that of the nut-allergic one? And if not, why not?

TheRealBiscuitAddict - nuts emit oil particles, which become airborne, which in turn are sucked into and then puked back out of, the air-conditioning units of aeroplanes. Fruits and dairy don't have the same oil-bearing hazards. A person allergic to nuts only has to breathe in the air to have a reaction. Of course, you can't avoid all nuts at all times. But in an aircraft, you are far more vulnerable, and the anaphylactic reaction that may ensue will be far more difficult to treat.

DD is allergic to nuts. Nuts on an aeroplane pose a problem. She is also allergic to celery. Celery on an aeroplane does not pose a problem.

See where I'm going with this?

But that won't solve the problem really.

It will reduce the risk when getting to medical attention is so difficult. That is what it is about, not "solving a problem"

BahHumbygge

This whole site is a discussion site. All views are out there. It is great fun really (depending on the thread), and I wouldn't get too energised or invested in a thread either TBH. It is of the moment.

If you have a point to make and someone refutes it, great, otherwise it just tends to descend into the echo chamber of right on righteousness. Or bad language or whatever, that might be frustration, but so be it.

Ban nuts on planes, I have absolutely no problem with that.
It is the next ban I am thinking about. Where will it all end.

The point was that Amy ended up horrifically effected by just one mouthful of food containing nuts. Despite 2 shots from her Epipen. On the ground, not at 30k feet.

Now imagine that situation playing out at 30k over the sea. Simply because an airline or its passengers wouldn't accept a request to desist from eating a particular food on the aircraft.

Surely as a human with a modicum of decency you'd comply regardless of your wider issues with the validity of allergies.

I've often wondered though why I can be offered a small bowl of warmed nuts in BA business, and a bag of pretzels in economy. That curtain must have amazing powers of filtration.

We were on a flight in US when they made the announcement that no nuts would be served as a passenger was allergic. The passengers in the parallel row kicked off and complained loudly - on a 2 hour flight.

I don't think people understand how life threatening and ill making these allergies are. I think the truth is we weren't as aware years ago because immunologically sensitive children were wiped out by allergic reactions to measles/chickenpox etc so they didn't live to adulthood.

There is a painting underground in Egypt of a pharaoh dying after a bee sting. It's not new. Its ancient. It's utterly terrifying (been there) please have consideration.

Sun stop with the Pollyanna routine, you've been really quite unpleasantly provocative in the posts you've made your self-described name of debate.

Sunglasses

It's about MINIMISING the risk.

You cant eliminate risk completely, but minimising it could be the difference between life and death to someone.

We arent discussing string theory here, its really simple.

A persons life v someones idea that they cant possibly go for a few hours without eating nuts just "cos I like them" (pouty face, stampy feet)

And the broader point should be debated. It's just that we are debating the narrower point of nuts on a plane.

I think they should be banned.

As pp's have pointed out an epi pen is not a cure and access to appropriate medical treatment is not available at 30,000 feet.

It's also not just about the flight the allergy sufferer is on. Someone who at nuts in the prior flight will have contaminated the seat/tray etc to the extent that is incompatible with someone who has severe allergies.

An allergy is also not an intolerance. Being intolerant to dairy isn't going to kill you if you sit in a seat where someone was eating cheese.

This is where the posters saying banning nuts is the start of more products being banned are misplaced in their views. Ordering a dairy/gluten free meal on a plane is possible and air/surface contamination is not an issue. An allergy can kill.

As for people who ignore the request not to eat nuts (and I assume they bring them on board - I haven't had nuts offered as an airline snack in years) then frankly they should be banned from the airline and prosecuted.