To ask all disabled drivers to do the following?

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We shouldnt have to, of course, but:

EVERY single time you go to a car park- supermarket/shopping centre etc, to complain EVERY single time to the security/help button on the ticket machine/supermarket etc .

You know what Im talking about.

Those bloodyselfish disablist C*s who park in disabled spaces. every time.

just this morning, went early to the superkarket. car park hardly used. very few cars there. a W* in a BMW pulls into the disabled bay next to mine, and JOGS into the coffee shop there . Still there when we came out of supermarket. no badge.

I go back to supermarkt (takes me ages with my mobility issues) to complain and the sucurity guy just shrugs. ''happens all the time. we issue tickets sometimes. nothing we can do. '' I said ''you have noticessaying disabled ONLY.

an elderly person heard our exchange and came up and joined in. he said he has a blue badge and hes fed up when he goes out and all the disabled bays are taken with only half of them with blue badges displayed and he cant get a space. he said he blocked someone in once and they , on coming back to their blocked car, didnt listen to him saying they were breaking the law doing that,(punched him through his open windowdamaged his car , and the police just didnt bother to take him seriously.

anyway.

pleaswe, if you have a blue badge, just complain, EVERY SINGLE TIME till hopefully they get the message.

its not about fines, half of them arent paid anyway, why cant their cars be towed away immediatley,? and pay a much huger fine.

bloody selfish and lazy.

on a slightly smaller note, the parentys/nannies/guardians who park in P&C spaces when their kids arent even in the car, their at school/nursery etc but just cos theyve got a car seat......

boils my piss almost more than enything else.

Disabled and elderly people are NOTHING to the ''powers that be''.

It depends on the local authority issuing the BB. They don't all have the same criteria at all.

To those saying the OP mentioned he had no blue badge - yes but also put "JOGS into the coffee shop ". I'm guessing mentioning this at all and capitalising if meant the OP thought it was relevant as otherwise would simply say they had no badge. So I think it's fair enough that people responded and point out that this is not (necessarily) relevant

I would be interested to know, as a way of educating myself and raising my awareness, what access issues an autistic individual faces for which a BB is needed. If that individual is able to drive.

Could it be sensory issues? About being agoraphobic in conjunction with ASD, for example?

I am not arguing, doubting or challenging, simply trying to repair my ignorance.

Why? If you've met one person with autism you've met one person with autism. Just because your son would not be able to cope doesn't mean another can't.
I am judging by the criteria, not by my experience.

It depends on the local authority issuing the BB. They don't all have the same criteria at all.
They do all have the same criteria but they also have the discretion to approve BB outside the scheme.

To get high rate mobility DLA (that qualifies you for a badge) you have to show severe mental impairment. To get the highest rate of PIP mobility, you have to show that you are unable to plan or follow a familiar route without help from another person.
If you have no sense of fear, cannot judge risk, cannot cope with busy environments etc, how would you be able to drive?

If you get higher rate mobility DLA or PIP that means you automatically qualify for a BB. That does not mean that if you don't receive either that you can't get a BB. My stepfather has a BB and he doesn't claim any benefits at all.

I have a blue badge and I'm a wheelchair user. There is no doubt at all about my entitlement to park in a disabled space. But it does annoy me when the last available space is taken up by someone who walks into and around a large shop perfectly well. Why do they need to park in a disabled space? They are usually only a little bit nearer than the normal spaces but most importantly for me is that they are wider and I need a wide space to get into my wheelchair.
If it's a matter of payment they can park in any other space with a blue badge.
Btw op I totally agree with you. I expect if questioned he would have said he was only going to be a minute and didn't think it mattered.
In future I will go in and complain x

Well then by that criteria. No one with ASD would be able to qualify for a badge

I would be interested to know, as a way of educating myself and raising my awareness, what access issues an autistic individual faces for which a BB is needed. If that individual is able to drive.

TestTubeQueen why do you think someone who is able to drive won't need one? Many of us, who either have children with ASD or have ASD themselves have given examples in this thread as to how a person with ASD may need the BB.

My DS has no concept of hazards or awareness of danger (he's 8 so we don't need to worry about the driving aspect yet). He also has the mental age of a three hear old yet the speed of an Olympic athlete when he bolts off. I'm disabled myself now so it's tricker to catch him. Being close to the door means there's less chance of him bolting off into the middle of the road into an oncoming car he's not aware of.

Being able to drive does not mean you don't have access issues. Just different ones. As Needs as already explained upthread.

"TestTubeQueen why do you think someone who is able to drive won't need one? "

I don't think that. I simply do not know the detail / reason why that person does, and that is what I asking.

I am fully aware as to the reasons parents of many children with ASD need BBs to keep them safe. Many children with ASD have no concept of danger, cannot wait, i.e waiting while a car goes past, have sensory issues that make walking through a noisy busy car park impossible, may 'bolt' etc. Of course parents will have a BB for these children.

An adult with the same degree of difficulty crossing a car park , no sense of danger, sensory overload, unable to tolerate waiting etc would also need a BB. But with that degree of disability would be unlikely to pass a driving test.

As I said, I am simply interested to know what access the BB offers to an adult with autism who has the ability to drive themselves.

OP I get you completely that this man shouldn't have been parking in a disabled space if he had no badge.

But like everyone else, please don't judge people's level of disability on the way they move (and yes again, I know you said this man had no badge, but you still made comment on the way he moved). I have a blue badge for many reasons, but I don't 'look' disabled (I mean how is a disabled person supposed to look, I'd like a diagram), when I park I see people judging me, deciding in their heads that I'm obviously a fraud - this along with other restrictions I face makes leaving the house more of a barrier than it really should be.

Orangebird if you get higher rate pip you do not automatically get a blue badge. You have to get enough points in the moving around component to automatically get one. My son automatically gets one as a child but won't as an adult because there is no severe mental impairment criteria for adults.
Although I would hope they will still give adults blue badges for that reason as it would be disgusting if they didn't.

I agree with voice. I understand that there are reasons why asd would result in a bb, as I said upthread I am autistic myself and know plenty of other adults and children who are too. But years ago, I failed my driving test on my risk perception - I'm incapable of judging a situation adequately to drive, and as such can't drive (plus a whole other list of reasons now too, but that was the one that failed my test). Now my bb isn't for my asd, but I understand how it could be for someone else in this situation if they have an "issue" with risk perception. But I don't understand how in this situation someone could be adequately disadvantaged by their hazard perception enough to get a bb, yet be able to drive?

So I want to understand the situation where an adult - capable of travelling alone and driving - is impaired by their asd (not an ajacent condition) and requires a bb for it. On the thread I have seen loads of examples of adults and children who cannot drive, but none that can and don't have a problem with eg agoraphobia or something?

"An adult with the same degree of difficulty crossing a car park , no sense of danger, sensory overload, unable to tolerate waiting etc would also need a BB. But with that degree of disability would be unlikely to pass a driving test."

I agree with every word and I can't see how anyone would disagree. There may be the very rare exception to the rule but generally, you are correct. I do think there need to be more discretionary badges for people with ASD and similar conditions but I doubt they'll be the drivers and if they are, I wonder how on earth they are obtaining these badges.

*adjacent

It's annoying me that I wrote 'ajacent'

it is my opinion that this jogging, non blue badge holding, man is more likely to be a lazy chancer who just wanted to park near the doors rather than disabled. The frequency with which people illegally park in these bays would tend to support this. Do you not think this is something that happens all the time?

*No wonder disabled facilities get abused so much. Just look at the responses on this thread. OP is complaining about someone parking in a BB space WITHOUT displaying a badge. He is abusing the facilities provided for disabled people and yet posters are falling over themselves to find reasons to justify it and prove the OP unreasonable.

It's shameful.*

^^ thank you. Exactly. and there are those who are STILL going ona bout the fact the man jogged from his car.

I KNOW about hidden non-physical disabilites, thank you.

the fact was he didnt disaply a BB.

My autistic son has a blue badge but he's like Husain bolt when he runs off!

I did point out upthread that my ASC son gets Higher rate mobility, has a blue badge and can drive. He can't get himself across a carpark, however. He is likely to fall as he has full body tics. Obviously in a busy carpark this could be dangerous.
Risk assessment can vary with ASC individuals, they may well be able to judge a risk in a car but not when walking. Understanding theory is often very different to implementing it with ASC individuals; ergo they may be able to tell you what risks there are when walking through a car park and how to avoid them, but not be able to implement the safety measures they can discuss.
They may feel overwhelmed in a supermarket and need feel the need to escape quickly; crossing a car park on the verge of a meltdown is not safe, it's obviously safer to park as near as possible so that you can escape as quickly as possible if it's necessary. There are myriad reasons why someone with an ASC can drive but still need a blue badge.

The people who park in disabled spaces without a blue badge are disabled by their laziness, selfishness, sense of entitlement and greed.

I did point out upthread that my ASC son gets Higher rate mobility, has a blue badge and can drive. He can't get himself across a carpark, however. He is likely to fall as he has full body tics.
Then he has the blue badge for his physical disability of having body tics that prevent him from walking safely. It's good that he can control them well enough to drive safely.

ginandlime cheers! (To the gin and lime!). Thank you for that explanation.

voiceofreason, whilst I agree, tics are a common part of having an ASC. Whilst not all have them, a significant number of folk do and Tourette's syndrome is included as part of the spectrum.

Tics are fairly common in autism but if they were that severe that a person couldn't walk safely then they would require a separate diagnosis.
Tourettes is not part of the autistic spectrum, it is a completely separate diagnosis.

I took my friend to the supermarket one evening about 8pm. She had a broken leg and was in a cast as well as having injuries to her other leg.
I parked in a disabled bay as they were ALL free and helped her into a wheelchair. The security guy immediately told me off for parking in the bay, as we didn't have a blue badge.

He was right, we didn't and I guess shouldn't have parked there. But it's good to know that they take it seriously and piss takers are dealt with.

My point is Jogging or cartwheeling into the supermarket matters not a toss. It's not Jo publics responsibility to judge parking entitlement! Either display your blue badge or park elsewhere.

Same thing happened to me when I had a broken leg only my poor friend got a ticket!

The people who park in disabled spaces without a blue badge are disabled by their laziness, selfishness, sense of entitlement and greed.

I can't prove it with statistics, but my anecdote is that when Birmingham started charging for BB spaces (and car parks where BB holders have to pay) there were suddenly a lot more BB spaces free.