To think people are being a bit harsh?

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-mum-daddy-dad-mummy-10978802

This is an article in today's mirror that came up in my twitter feed and every single comment is against them so far. I don't agree with forcing your ideals on a child but surely their friends and family would have said something if this is so wrong?

These articles are almost always a boy playing/wearing girls things.
I suspect that generally it's the parents wanted a girl, so child gets praise and attention by using "girl" things so they continue to do it.

I'm confused about the parents' 'names.' So the biological mum became Dad because when the boy was a baby he called her Dad. Therefore she became Dad and her partner Mum. Ok, but what did they call themselves and each other in the first few months before the baby could speak? Surely most parents talk to the baby and say things like 'Mummy needs to change your nappy.' Or 'You sit with Daddy while Mummy gets dressed.' So what did these parents call themselves before the baby decided on the names? Because surely by then it's all set and you wouldn't want to change what you were referred to as?

What a load of bollocks.

These articles are almost always a boy playing/wearing girls things.
I suspect that generally it's the parents wanted a girl, so child gets praise and attention by using "girl" things so they continue to do it

Nothing would surprise me 😒

The refrence to the coat was just stupid. 🙄 Poor boy.

If I'm confused I dread to think what the child will make of it when he's older. He's going to get so badly teased for his name. Poor child.

I think gender is part of our identity. It shouldn't define everything but it is part of who we are and I am proud of the fact I am a woman and mother. That child's parents are the ones making all the decisions for how the child should be labelled, without any consideration for how the child feels about their OWN gender. The child could have grown up happy in their own skin as the gender they were born as but because of this they will probably grow up confused and unsure of who they are and what gender they would like to be. Causing problems where there otherwise would have been none.

What always gets me in situations like the is why the parents feel the need to go the national press

Make your choices as unconventional a's they may be but be fucking discreet about it.

To be fair wee Star looks quite confident. Otherwise the parents sound like attention seekers par excellence.

So they wanted a daughter then? Not RTFT but fuck sake people
My ds rocks a full face of make up, nail varnish and a sparkly skirt for days at a time sometimes but that doesn't mean he doesn't know he's a boy dances around naked with his willie out enough he should know bloody know and sounds like this child (StarCloud? Fucking seriously??) needs some discipline and boundaries.
Speshul snowflakes, and I can guarantee you the school aren't delighted to have an inclusive family, they're obligated to put up with whatever batshit stuff parents foist upon their children

My eldest Dd wasn't interested in dolls or sparkles was meh about my little pony she liked cars, dinosaurs and thomas the tank i never wear skirts soshe was usuallydressed in trousers or dungarees doesn't mean I wanted a boy she is now a 2o something woman back then you just raised your kids there was no need for shouting lookatme from every direction.

Having worked in nurseries for a number of years. I observed that the children most likely to play with the dolls were those who had a younger sibling regardless of whether they were girls or boys.

Mine has gone to bed tonight finally after walking the floor with his pushchair to get his teddy to sleep. That's just learnt behaviour from the endless nights I walked the streets with him when he was small.

I think we let our son be whoever he wants. We have ideas about what we want him to be when he grows up (DH wants him to be a football player, I want him to be a good husband) but as long as he's not a womaniser or a criminal I don't really mind.

They're on itv with eamon and Ruth tomorrow!

Oh Eamoln will give them "the look" it is his way ofsaying omg have a word with yourselves

There should be a new 'newspaper' entitled Attention Seekers R Us for all these types of idiots!!

Why are we so obsessed with making an issue out of gender? It is insane, if your son wants to play with dolls, let him, if your daughter wants to dress in blue, let her. These things are inconsequential and a normal part of growing and developing.
As the adult, making an issue and labelling your child in any way is just attention seeking. Let them be kids! When they grow THEY can choose how they want to identify themselves. I think we should be "childhood fluid" never mind "gender fluid".

Words fail me.

I'm parenting fluid. Some days I can't be bothered to parent properly so I provide some toys and hope the child survives. Others, like today, I'm a bit more involved. I'm not very well so letting him play dr mcstuffin and cook me dinner in his kitchen

In my experience Starcloud is likely to grow up to be a tory voting accountant who marries a 'sensible' girl and has 2.2 kids with biblical names. It will be the only way to rebel

In my experience Starcloud is likely to grow up to be a tory voting accountant who marries a 'sensible' girl and has 2.2 kids with biblical names How do you know my DH ikill ?

I give it a few more years and the human animal bunch will suddenly come out of the woodwork... yano the guy that had surgery to make himself look like a cat, the man that thinks his half parrot.

Then.. they will have children. They will have half cat half parrot child that they will insist can't wear school uniform because they are an animal. They must only wear cat bottoms with a tail and a top with feathers on.

For fuck sake that poor kid. With a name like Star Cloud they never even gave him a chance!

I'm sick of this type of thing, he's a 4 year old boy. He likes playing with toys like dolls. So what?

When I was 4 my favourite toy was my garage and cars, but I also loved my dolls pram, my barbies and my pretend shopping trolley. I would have killed my parents had they put make up or nail varnish on me. By that logic my parents should have been telling me I was neither a boy nor a girl.

My nephew at 3 loved getting his nails painted, putting on make up and he wanted to be a hairdresser. Ten years later he hates been reminded of that!

These parents are pathetic! If gender doesn't mean anything as others have said, why is one of them in the process of changing? The little boy identifies as a boy and only changed his answer when prompted. Why can't they just let him be comfortable in his own skin instead of forcing their bull shit on to him?

They have a biological boy. No-one can't change that. That's going to be one very confused kid when it comes to biology lessons and whether or not it is he who can get pregnant or does the impregnating.

"We never tell Star he’s a boy, we tell him he can be whatever he wants."

"He said, ‘I might not be a daddy – I might be a mammy!"

Dear God.

And for a couple who are so interested in gender neutrality, they sure as hell like to define things in terms of gender and its emphasis on masculinity and femininity.

"Nikki says: “When we took Star shopping for his school uniform we knew he’d need male underwear because it’s more appropriate for his shape. But he chose pink socks and vests and we’re more than happy for him to go like that.”

Why make the distinction if you don't subscribe to the distinction?

She identifies as pan­­sexual and dresses masculine some days, while on others she will wear “high heels, a padded bra and lipstick.”

So days that aren't masculine involve high heels, a padded bra and lippy. Why emphasise masculinity or femininity in the first place?

They are actually reinforcing gender stereotypes. Simply saying that they fall under the definition of masculine and feminine. Well that's news to no-one.

I don't altogether blame them for being confused. When the accoutrements are so rigidly defined by gender, it's hard to disregard it. Unless you actively emphasise it and go the other way.

But that can't be termed gender neutral then.

Very little can.

Which is why appearance is very secondary. Gender neutrality should refer to roles and the expectation of what men and women can do. Not what colour they like.

So in other words StarCloud is a normal bloody kid whose parents are trying to make out is a special snowflake for attention. Just let kids be kids and play with what they want without all this gender fluid bollocks.

This.

Both of mine were normal children who had toys that they wanted regardless of which sex the toys were marketed as for. I had my first 30 years ago and they had a mix of toys from cars to princess costumes and astronaut costumes to toys cookers depending what they wanted as I'd always maintained that were no such things as boys toys and girls toys. Both grew up to be accepting of equal rights and opportunities and very firmly as their biological gender.