To think people are being a bit harsh?

[AJGiveMeSomeSpeed]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-mum-daddy-dad-mummy-10978802

This is an article in today's mirror that came up in my twitter feed and every single comment is against them so far. I don't agree with forcing your ideals on a child but surely their friends and family would have said something if this is so wrong?

If the parents were actually comfortable with their current gender choices they wouldn't feel so threatened as to deny their child his own gender. They are essentially denying their child the right to be himself and making him ashamed to be a boy. That is really fucked up.

They should be charged with abuse just for calling him Star Cloud. I actually thought the child was a girl when I first saw the photos. He's going to be so bullied/teased for having such a stupid name when he goes to school.

Which toilets will he use at school? What about when the students are separated by gender for whatever reason? (Eg. boys will do activity X today. Girls will do activity X tomorrow). "Gender fluidity" has no place when it could impact on the girls in the class who may be forced/expected to share a changing room with a boy.

The parents are utterly pathetic for thinking they're so cutting edge for allowing their son to use "girl's toys". They're not. Every parent I know personally has bought their kids that can be used for both boy and girls. There's nothing special or groundbreaking about it. This couple really needs to grow up.

What a load of bollocks.

Yabu that I now have the Kinks' I'm a Boy as my morning earworm.
This is an actual story? The only newsworthy thing is the attention seeking by dick head parents. The world is going to hell in a handcart and they want to work up a fake shitstorm. What a world.

Ok so it seems common consensus that people don't like this family. I think without knowing them we are at a disadvantage because they might just be saying all this for the papers and not really be like that in real life.

My son is allowed to play with anything he likes and pick his own clothes. I respect his questionable clothing choices most of the time depending on if we are going out or not. He once spent three days dressed as a bumblebee because it wasn't worth the fight to say no. He also has quite long hair because it's an ordeal to get it cut and, again, I can't face the fight. I think maybe I'm a lazy parent though. He doesn't question his gender. Sometimes he denies being human and thinks he's a dog though so I might have to watch that. At two though I've still got time to persuade him not to lick people in public!

@OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow I'm sorry that I gave you an ear worm. That WAS unreasonable of me. Can I do anything to get your forgiveness? You can try and give me one but I don't know that song. I'll YouTube it...

What a pair of attention seeking twits - poor child is going to be picked on at school simply because of their "hey, look at me" mentality...

Is that his real name?

If they keep saying its completely unimportant which gender he is, then why are they so obsessed with messing about with their own genders? To the bloke that's becoming a woman - why? - there is nothing to be gained. The only thing you are is YOU, if you feel you're different to the majority - fine - just act as is natural for you, pursue your life, but really what can be gained by messing with your bits and hormones and adopting different pronouns for something that you say is completely meaningless. The same to the other partner.

Just tell the kid he can DO what he likes, and then it doesn't matter what he is. If he's a traditionally masculine male - cool - if he's rather more traditionally effeminate - also cool. Who cares!!

He's a well rounded child who jumps from chair to chair while his parents are talking, beats up a giant Paddington Bear and uses a nerf gun to beat up Nikki.

Oh that's fine that sounds well fucking normal. Can't sit still while adults talk, assaults his parent (I really CBA to fathom which one if its Daddy/Mummy or Mummy/Daddy ) and assaults a stuffed toy.

And all this shite about being told at Nursery he can't play with dolls because he's told they're girls toys . They aren't .
My DS is nearly 18, they were given all toys even back then. I picked him up one day he was dressed as a Policeman carrying a handbag (He didn't catch gay though) .

In the article it says that being gender fluid is shown to be good for kids
No Shit Sherlock. Only we dont need to label it. We just need to say that being allowed to play with what the hell you like, and wear whatever the hell you like and aspire to do whatever job/follow interests that you want without fucking stupid sexual stereotypes forced on them is good for them.
Its good for grown ups too.
If men had had a movement like the feminist movement, to allow them to expand what 'being a man' was, we probably wouldnt be in this ridiculous label laden mess.

It's nonsense. My youngest hated having his hair cut and started school with long curly blonde hair. In his first day of school photo he looks like a little girl wearing shorts. And indeed in his first few weeks of school he would sometimes come home and comment that a dinner lady or a TA from another class had called him a girl. But he honestly wasn't bothered at all, not even enough to correct them. It was actually mostly his little mates who piped up "Miss, Little Tink is a boy."

Kids aren't bothered by gender. And thankfully we live in a society that mostly lets people develop as they get older into who they themselves want to be: my older kids have very camp male friends and very masculine female friends. DH and I have a very camp male friend who is very happily married to a woman and has kids.

All this categorising and labelling is the absolute opposite of freeing people up.

A child's first "word" is usually Da-da as it's easiest to say. It's also usually first directed at the child's primary carer - usually Mum. Almost every SAHM would be calling herself a SAHF if they did the same - waited for their one year old to tell them who they were...

There's something about families like this one that screams "Yes, we are far more special than you will ever be, thanks for noticing!"

AJGiveMeSomeSpeed ha ha that fine-here have mine-Mercy Seat by Nick Cave-nice and cheerful.
We call this type of thing "look at me, look at me,look at me now" ((for all you Cat in the Hat fans)

They're not doing anything 'different' really. He knows he's a boy. He's going to wear a boy's uniform. He plays with dolls and cars. Basically he's a normal child.
I thought all the rest of it was bs so the paper got a click-bait article and the family got paid.

I like the comment that said it was abuse like forcing a child to be vegan. I am vegan and I'd quite like my children to be when they are older so I often make a whole family meal vegan but didn't think it was child abuse. He currently sat with his dad eating a bacon sandwich though so he still has choice for now. When he's older I will tell him why I am a vegan and see if that convinces him.

Sometimes he denies being human and thinks he's a dog though so I might have to watch that.

Haha, OP - that is a whole other thing!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otherkin

Only go down this rabbit hole if you're ready to get weird

Ooooh, I think DS4 is Otherkin!
Who knew?!

It does explain a lot....

Actually, I think I've got Species dysphoria

Honestly, I do sometimes despair of my species....

AJ But, unlike Transsexualism and Gender Dysphoria, the rates of mental health problems, depression and suicide attempts aren't vastly higher amongst Vegans!
Choosing a vegan diet for your DC just isn't in the same ballpark as encouraging a neurological condition in them.

These people are adults, pushing their lifestyle and gender neutrality onto an impressionable child. They are setting poor little Star Cloud up for a life of confusion and psychological problems if they haven't already with that stupid name.

The child doesn't even know if they are a boy or girl for God's sake, all because his Dad-mum and Mum-dad want them to be the most speshul family in the playground.

Honestly, I do sometimes despair of my species....

But what species is that, Pacific?

Well, I was assigned human at birth...

I think I'd quite like to be a toucan.

I want to be the bloody cat! All day it's got in my way whilst I'm trying to paint a wardrobe and now suddenly it wants food!

Not fair to the child. What a way to make a child stand out/ differ from their peers. And really confusing for him/ her. I think harsh comments are justified in this case. Putting their own views on a child who has no say is completely wrong.

@IAmTheDragon oh yeah. Maybe he's otherkin! I was warned by a work colleague when pregnant that OH and I were a bit weird and our child would be super weird. He's changed his name to sparky today... I actually gave him a lovely name at birth and he won't accept it!

Star’s mum is Louise, who was born a man but having hormone treatment ready to fully transition to a woman.Dad is pansexual Nikki, born a woman but who dresses some days as male and some as female.Nikki, 30, says: “Neither of us gets hung up on the gender we were born as

What is this world coming to?! Poor child, looking at the state of them and their own confusion about who or what they are I would say they are not fit to bring that child up. Anything to be different. Revolting.